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Re: [TenTec] COmputer hook up to Omni VI+

To: n4py3@earthlink.net, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] COmputer hook up to Omni VI+
From: Jim Allen <jim.allen@longhornband.net>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 10:41:37 -0500
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Splendid.  I had the impression the Omni VI+ was not among the models
supported.  Thanks for that!  I'll look into it more seriously now.

73 de W6OGC  Jim Allen


On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Carl Moreschi <n4py3@earthlink.net> wrote:

> It does work with my N4PY Icom program.  And my program provides a gateway
> to most logging programs.
>
>
> Carl Moreschi N4PY
> 58 Hogwood Rd
> Louisburg, NC 27549
> www.n4py.com
>
> On 5/16/2014 11:32 AM, Jim Allen wrote:
>
>> OK.  Thanks for that explanation.  I'll take the plunge and get one.
>>
>> As I understand it, the Omni VI+ doesn't work with HRD or some of the
>> other
>> software packages, K4PY etc.  Any problems like that to avoid?
>>
>> I'm venturing into new ground here.  I don't know how automated I want to
>> be or need to be.
>>
>> I saw a Youtube not long ago where a guy had CW Skimmer, and all the rest
>> of the software running a Kenwood of some sort.  He clicked on a call sign
>> on the skimmer, the computer tuned the radio to that frequency, turned his
>> antenna, called the station, worked it, and logged it, all untouched by
>> human hands!  I'm not there yet!
>>
>> 73 de W6OGC  Jim Allen
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Frank A. Ellis<w3uhf.frank@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Jim,
>>>
>>> There are two separate issues regarding interfacing. First, the ICOM CI-V
>>> data (present at the 1/8" jack on ICOM radios, as well as the Ten-Tec
>>> Omni
>>> VI) has a different data voltage level than is required by the computer.
>>> Therefore, a "level converter" is needed to convert the CI-V voltage
>>> levels
>>> to ones appropriate for the computer. The ICOM CT-17 Level Converter was
>>> a
>>> popular "box in the middle" between the radio and computer that
>>> accomplished this function. The CT-17 interface port to the computer was
>>> serial, not USB. If you wanted to use the CT-17 and connect to a USB port
>>> on the computer, a serial to USB adapter cable would be required. That is
>>> the second interface issue.
>>>
>>> Fortunately, there are single-cable interfaces today that accomplish both
>>> the voltage level conversion from RS-232 to serial level, as well as the
>>> physical transformation from the 1/8" CI-V jack to a USB plug, all in one
>>> simple cable. As TJ stated, the necessary electronics to do this are
>>> packaged inside the cable-end boot, typically at the USB end. They are
>>> powered from USB power available from the computer's USB port, and unless
>>> you knew there was a small PCB inside the connector end, you would swear
>>> that it was nothing more than a simple cable, with a 1/8 jack on one end,
>>> and a USB connector on the other.
>>>
>>> I bought several of these cables from a seller on eBay named "Kawamall"
>>> and they work very well. Since the Omni VI uses the ICOM CI-V protocol at
>>> the rear 1/8" jack, any cable such as this may be used for a simple USB
>>> computer interface to the Omni VI.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> 73, Frank W3UHF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 16, 2014, at 10:39 AM, Timothy Johnston wrote:
>>>
>>>  Jim, most USB to serial "adapters/converters/cables" are made in a
>>>> all-in-one solution now. I have two of them, both have USB on one end, a
>>>> few inches of cable and a 9 pin serial connect on the other end. There
>>>> is
>>>> no "black box" anymore. With SMT devices, they are literally built-in to
>>>> the connector housing and you don't see them.
>>>>
>>>> Whether you have USB ports or 9/25-pin serial ports, in order to use
>>>> CIV,
>>>> the signal levels (voltages) must be converted to match the CIV levels.
>>>> Again, the converter might be too small to be seen and built into the
>>>> housing.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> 73 de Tj, K4TFJ ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Jim Allen<jim.allen@longhornband.net
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  By "converter" do you mean merely a cable with the appropriate
>>>>>
>>>> connectors
>>>
>>>> or is there a "black box" device somewhere?
>>>>>
>>>>> The terminology is confusing to me, I guess.  On the 706 the Icom CIV
>>>>>
>>>> cable
>>>
>>>> used for HRD was just a cable.  Will that work here?
>>>>>
>>>>> 73 de W6OGC  Jim Allen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 9:17 PM, n5bi<n5bi@juno.com>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Yes, I also, have a usb to civ converter..works great on omy Omni VI+.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary Branch, N5BI
>>>>>> Macon, GA
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Moreschi"<
>>>>>>
>>>>> n4py3@earthlink.net>
>>>
>>>> To:<Undisclosed-recipients:>
>>>>>> Cc: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment"<tentec@contesting.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 9:59 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] COmputer hook up to Omni VI+
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes it can if you have a USB to CIV converter.  The bottom line is you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> still connect to a USB port on the computer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carl Moreschi N4PY
>>>>>>> 58 Hogwood Rd
>>>>>>> Louisburg, NC 27549
>>>>>>> www.n4py.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/15/2014 9:44 PM, Jim Allen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Can the Icom CIV be used instead of the serial port and routed to a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> USB
>>>
>>>> port directly?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 73 de W6OGC  Jim Allen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Carl Moreschi<n4py3@earthlink.net
>>>>>>>> <mailto:n4py3@earthlink.net>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     USB to serial converters are what is used now.  They are
>>>>>>>> available
>>>>>>>>     for $10 to $40.  They take a serial port DB9 and converter it to
>>>>>>>>     connect to a USB port on the computer.  Then windows even
>>>>>>>> assigns
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>
>>>>     comport number to it so you can use it as a normal serial port.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For
>>>>>
>>>>>>     a DB25, you need a DB9 to DB25 adapter on the end of the USB to
>>>>>>>>     serial converter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     The Omni VI also had a 1/8 inch CIV jack which is the Icom
>>>>>>>> method
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>>     connection.  This is because the Omni VI uses the Icom command
>>>>>>>> protocol.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Carl Moreschi N4PY
>>>>>>>>     58 Hogwood Rd
>>>>>>>>     Louisburg, NC 27549
>>>>>>>>     www.n4py.com<http://www.n4py.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     On 5/15/2014 8:42 PM, Jim Allen wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         I see that the Omni VI+ has a connection called a "serial
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> port"
>>>
>>>>         in the
>>>>>>>>         back, as well as an "Interface Port" which resembles a
>>>>>>>> serial
>>>>>>>>         port DB
>>>>>>>>         connector..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         The description in the manual leads me to believe the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interface
>>>
>>>>         Port is to
>>>>>>>>         be used to connect to a computer.  Today's computers seldom
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>
>>>>>>         serial
>>>>>>>>         ports, and I see that cables are offered on eBay for these
>>>>>>>>         radios that are
>>>>>>>>         1/8th" to USB, similar to the Icom cable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         What's the story?  What should one use?  What should one do
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>
>>>>>>         a computer
>>>>>>>>         having no serial ports?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         73 de W6OGC  Jim Allen
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