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Re: [TenTec] Omni 6 Plus: No RX or TX on 10 meters (Intermittent)

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Omni 6 Plus: No RX or TX on 10 meters (Intermittent)
From: Joe Papworth via TenTec <tentec@contesting.com>
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 21:45:31 -0400
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I think you're right Duane.



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From: Duane Calvin <ac5aa1@gmail.com>
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Subject: RE: [TenTec] Omni 6 Plus: No RX or TX on 10 meters (Intermittent)



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<pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt>I'm pretty sure Omni VI+'s are pre-ROHS.  

        73, Duane

Duane Calvin,
AC5AA
Austin, Texas
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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Omni 6 Plus: No RX or TX on 10 meters
(Intermittent)

Your comments were very eye-opening for me Allen. I had no
idea that RoHS
compliance has such a down side. Is it the lead-free solder
that's causing
the problem?
Later, Joe, K8MP
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<pre style="font-size:
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QSL. In my former life in military and space electronics, I spent
many
hundreds of hours chasing RoHS-induced problems (today they're
called
"issues"),
including the microscopic fracturing of solder connections
between component
leads and board conductors/traces, AND the growth of
unintended conduction
paths
on board surfaces called "dendritic whiskers". In
industries where
reliability
is absolutely critical and essential, the
solution is generally an
"exemption"
from RoHS compliance. 




73,

Allen--W7GIF 


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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Omni 6 Plus:
No RX or TX on 10 meters
(Intermittent)



So the new radios have a built
in failure mode that the
"boat anchors" did not?

That's unnerving?

73 de
W6OGC Jim Allen 

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> On Jul 6, 2015, at 10:25 AM, A
R
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wrote:
> 
> 
> Welcome to the lead-free
world of RoHS. Your spools of 60/40
solder are NOT RoHS-compliant...but will
likely improve reliability of solder
connections which are subjected to the
stresses of expansion/contraction of
dissimilar materials due to thermal
excursions. Sn-Pb is more ductile, and as a
result more tolerant of the
thermal
excursion stresses, than the
RoHS-compliant solders. 
> 
> 
> 
> 73,
> 
>
Allen--W7GIF
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Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 5:46 AM
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> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Omni 6
Plus: No
RX or TX on 10 meters (Intermittent)
> 
> 
> 
> I'm glad you found
the
fix.
> 
> Why is it there are so many re-solder fixes these days.  I
don't
recall ever hearing about resoldering on the old gear.  Anybody ever have
to
fix
a 75A4 or SX101, etc. by resoldering some connections?
> 
> 73 de
W6OGC Jim
Allen 
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>> On Jul 6, 2015, at 7:39 AM,
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>> It appears to be fixed and in repairing it, I fixed another
annoying
problem, which was spurs and floaters on ten meters only. Those had
been
plaguing me for several years.
>> 
>> 
>> First, thanks to Paul at Ten
Tec
for pointing me in the right direction and to Mark, K8VF, and others for
their
suggestions.
>> 
>> 
>> Paul was right. The problem was on the Xtal
Osc/LO
board. The repair process went like this:
>> 
>> 
>> 1) I looked at
the
schematic of the board and saw there are 4 separate xtal
>> ? ?
oscillators
for ten meters (I assume one for each 500 Khz band segment)
>> ? ?
Since I was
losing the entire band, I knew it wasn't one of those
circuits.?
>> ? ? That
eliminated a lot of circuitry as a possible cause.
>>

>> 
>> 2) After
reading the theory of operation, I pretty much narrowed
things down ? ? to
the
L9, L10, and L11 circuits, plus the Q4 and Q5
circuits.
>> 
>> 
>> 3) I
resoldered every component in those areas and
voila, no more spurs or
>> ? ?
floaters and so far, RX and TX are fine. (I'm
fairly certain the rig would
>> ?
? have failed?by?now)
>> 
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>> Later,
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