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Re: [TowerTalk] Am I Asking for Trouble?

To: <keith@dutson.net>, <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Am I Asking for Trouble?
From: "Jerry Keller" <k3bz@arrl.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:16:42 -0400
List-post: <mailto:towertalk@contesting.com>
Keith... you replaced 4 arrestors as a result of lightning strikes. How did you 
determine they needed replacement?  73, Jerry K3BZ
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Keith Dutson 
  To: towertalk@contesting.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 10:38 PM
  Subject: RE: [TowerTalk] Am I Asking for Trouble?


  Sounds like good, solid advice.  It is good to have multiple grounds at the
  shack entry point.  Of course, they should all be tied together with other
  ground rods at the tower, phone and power entry points.

  My shack entry point is an aluminum plate in the window with 4 gauge copper
  cables at each end running to separate 8 foot ground rods.  There are 8 coax
  arrestors and 6 rotor/control cable arrestors, all Polyphaser, mounted on
  this plate.  All equipment inside the shack is connected to a Harger copper
  bar which is connected to the plate via 1.5 inch copper braid.  There is a
  relay coax/power disconnect box in the shack that grounds all coax cables
  from the plate and all power cords from the equipment when turned off.

  So far, in the past 5 years, there has been no damage after 4 observed
  direct strikes to the tower.  Well, I have to modify that statement.  Four
  arrestors have been replaced. :)

  There is a wealth of information about lightning protection on Polyphaser's
  web site:

  http://www.polyphaser.com

  Look under Tech Info, Engineering Notes.  A good place to start is PEN1016:
  Ham Radio Station Protection.

  I like to think of lightning as a sea of electrons, all looking for a place
  to settle on the ground.  There are so many in a bolt of lightning that not
  all will come down the tower.  They are all looking for the path of least
  resistance.  The idea is to "capture" as many as possible and take them to
  ground.  The remaining electrons will find other paths such as power lines,
  telephone lines, surrounding trees, etc.  I can imagine that the potential
  reaching the arrestors may well be billions of volts.  This means tens of
  thousands of volts may end up in the shack, so the coax cables need to be
  grounded where they connect to the equipment.  If they are disconnected and
  laid on the table or floor, there is the possibility that an arc will form
  between the cable and the concrete slab.  Needless to say, this arc can
  easily ignite carpet-wood-plastic, etc.

  Keith WD5DXL

  -----Original Message-----
  From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
  [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Phil Camera
  Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 8:22 PM
  To: ab5mm
  Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
  Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Am I Asking for Trouble?

  Based on my understanding, the answer would be most probably yes.  Is this
  Polyphaser panel above ground?  If there is not a very low
  resistance/impedance connection from that to your SPG (single point ground),
  then yes the surge energy will not all be shunted to ground by the arrestors
  which are mounted above grade.  My understanding, after much discussions
  with Polyphaser and ICE folks, is the the best bet would be to drop the
  cables down to the ground at the shack end, to your arrestors mounted right
  at the SPG and then route them up to the entrance.  My only concern is that
  if this up route was long enough, then a nearby surge may be induced into
  that length and end up in the equipment.  Email or call Polyphaser or ICE
  and ask their opinions; they are the experts.  Phil  KB9CRY

  ab5mm wrote:

  > One of my towers is a 114' Rohn 25 with the usual antennas on top. All 
  > the control wires and coax come from the top down to the 25' level. A 
  > tag line of 1/4" steel cable departs the tower at 25' elevation and 
  > runs 55' over to the shack. This cable end is attached to the wooden 
  > structure via a steel plate bolted to the fascia board with 2x8 
  > backing. The coax and control wires are suspended from this cable and 
  > enter the shack via a PolyPhaser panel. The tower is grounded well, as 
  > are the guy post and guy wires.
  >
  > Have I just invited Mother Nature over to burn my shack down with this 
  > tag/support line?
  >
  > Thanks for any input & 73,
  >
  > Steve
  > ab5mm
  >
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  Weather Stations", and lot's more.  Call Toll Free, 1-800-333-9041 with any
  questions and ask for Sherman, W2FLA.

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Weather Stations", and lot's more.  Call Toll Free, 1-800-333-9041 with any 
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