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Re: [TowerTalk] ballpark costs for a tower (installed)

To: "Jim Idelson" <k1ir@designet.com>,"TowerTalk Post" <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] ballpark costs for a tower (installed)
From: "Don Bozarth" <drboz@pacbell.net>
Reply-to: Don Bozarth <drboz@pacbell.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:23:06 -0700
List-post: <mailto:towertalk@contesting.com>
And I forgot 3 items:

    Coax Standoff arms   $89
    Thrust Bearing           $119
    Mast                         $212
                                    -------
                                     $420

added to that  $8,673 makes $9,193.....  closer still to that 10K
guestimate...

Don B.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Bozarth" <drboz@pacbell.net>
To: "Jim Idelson" <k1ir@designet.com>; "TowerTalk Post"
<towertalk@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] ballpark costs for a tower (installed)


> Having just gone through the process of erecting a 55' crankup, I offer
the
> following.
>
>     1. Here in CA each county has different regulations for towers.  In my
> area, the tower had to withstand 75mph wind and C exposure.  Which in this
> case translated to no go for the US Towers TX-455.. I had to go to the
> HDX-555.  TX-455 = $1,789 to HDX-555 =$2,679. Ouch!  Shipping was $380.
>
>     2. I hired a concrete contractor to dig the hole, build the rebar
cage,
> and pour the concrete. This was a $2,800 bill.  The digging alone was
$800.
> And the best $800 I ever spent... they hit hardpan at 3' down.  This
footing
> is a 5' square, 7' deep.  That translates to 7 1/4 yards of concrete.
>
>     3. Found a local ham with the US Towers erecting fixture... saved $489
> that the fixture would have cost.  Two of us installed the rotor and mast
> and erected the tower.  Easiest part of the project.
>
>     4. There are two antennas up there (Force 12 XR-5 [20 thru 10, incl.
> WARC] and an inverted V for 80/40), plus the rotor.  Cabling (150' coax x
2,
> and 150' of 8 conductor rotor cable) ran about $200.  The rotor was $550.
> The XR-5 was $1000 when I bought it.  The V (Spi-Ro D-56) was $120.
>
>     5. Throw in 3 ground rods (5/8 x 8'), lightning protection for 2 coax
> and one rotor cable plus some miscelaneous copper bar and some Kopr-Shield
> (This stuff is expensive!) added another $200.
>
>     6. Tools:  an often forgotten item... 2 - 1 1/8" open end/box
wrenches,
> an 1 11/16 socket, extension, and drive bar, and a BIG 2" crescent wrench
> ran up another $150.
>
>     7. I hired an expert to install the constructed antenna... at my age
> getting up on top of a tower just isn't in the cards anymore.  He did
> excellent work.... for another $300.
>
>     8. The cost for the building permit was $294.
>
> So:    $2,679    for the tower itself
>             $380    shipping
>          $2,800    the 'hole' and concrete
>             $200    cabling
>             $550    Rotor
>          $1000     Yagi
>            $120     Vee
>            $200     Grounding
>            $150     Tools
>            $300     Antenna Installation
>            $294     Building permit
>           -----------
>          $8,673
>
> At the beginning, I had assumed that I'd spend the better part of 10K on
> this project... didn't miss that by much.  I figure it cost 9K... there
> seemed always to be one more bolt, nut, clevis, or a whatchamacallit that
> was needed at the last minute.
>
> Don Bozarth
> W6DRB
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Idelson" <k1ir@designet.com>
> To: "TowerTalk Post" <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 6:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] ballpark costs for a tower (installed)
>
>
> > IMHO, the assumption of a crankup puts you in a well-above-average cost
> > bracket. The low-end costs you suggest for the tower and installation
are
> > probably too low for a crankup. If you are trying to show the upper end
of
> the
> > cost for a tower of a given height, I think you've made an excellent
> choice.
> > You should probably also show the example of a lower cost guyed or light
> duty
> > free-standing tower and make the point that many bucks can be saved if
the
> ham
> > searches for good used hardware and does a lot of the work him/herself.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Jim K1IR
> >
> > >I'm writing a short article with some tradeoffs between various
> approaches to
> > building a station. What's a good ballpark number to use for the cost of
> buying
> > and installing a typical medium height tower (i.e. say, 50-75 ft,
crankup,
> etc)
> > with a multiband 3 element beam. A quick check of the catalog from HRO
and
> > various websites, for instance, shows numbers like:
> >
> > raw tower+mast+bracketry is going to set you back about $1500-3000
(don't
> > forget you've got shipping, too)
> > (+ another 1000 if you want a motor to raise and lower it)
> > rotator at around $500-600
> > antenna around $500-1000
> > Cabling (rotator, controls, coax) $200
> > Installation (digging the hole, buying the concrete, etc.) $500-2500
> > (probably towards the high end, unless labor is really cheap)
> >
> > Totals $3200 - 7300
> >
> > I realize that one can greatly reduce many of these by clever shopping,
> > scrounging, doing the work yourself (or having a bunch of friends come
> over for
> > a tower raising party), but, then, you're essentially trading time for
> money,
> > so I wanted to figure what it would cost if you just paid to have the
work
> > done.
> >
> > I assumed a crankup, because I assumed that your local PRB-1 compliant
> > community will probably impose a "crank up only when in use"
requirement.
> A
> > fixed tower w/guys would be substantially cheaper, purchase wise, but
> might
> > cost just as much by the time you figure in guys, anchors, additional
> > installation time, etc.
> >
> > Likewise, regulatory compliance could set you back a substantial chunk
of
> > change, depending on where you live (Thousand Oaks, CA had a $1000
antenna
> > permit fee at one time, and may still do, plus the cost of dealing with
> the
> > hearing)
> >
> >
> > Comments?
> >
> > Jim, W6RMK
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim Idelson K1IR
> > email    k1ir at designet.com
> > web    http://www.designet.com/k1ir
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
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any
> questions and ask for Sherman, W2FLA.
> >
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