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Re: [TowerTalk] [SteppIR] 3El height

Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [SteppIR] 3El height
From: Edward Sylvester <>
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 10:17:16 -0700 (PDT)
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Interesting thread...........Just wanted to pass along my scenario.  Still in 
the planning stages of my antenna installation here in Los Angeles.  I have a 
70' crank up tower (Hygain) and a Steppir 3 ele yagi.  Originally, I was 
planning to upgrade the yagi to 4 ele, with the 30/40m dipole kit. 
  Now I'm thinking of installing the 3 ele on a side arm and separate rotor at 
35-40' on the crank up tower and another Steppir 4 ele at 70+ (I could use 20' 
chromally mast, giving me an etxtra 15').  Would I see any real benefit to 
this?  Or should I just go with my original plan?
  I would use a Stackmatch for best case scenario....
  Your input is appreciated.
  Ed NI6S

Jim Lux <> wrote:
  At 06:55 AM 7/30/2006, wrote:
>I'm not sure why my message posted three times when I only sent it once.
>Yes, I meant using an elevation or azimuth rotator won't change the angle
>of radiation. This is assuming level ground, if your antenna is on the side
>of a mountain it will vary depending on direction.
>John KK9A

Sure, changing the pointing direction *will* will change the elevation 
angle for peak of the pattern. However, the ground reflection effects will 
mean that you don't get a "degree for degree" change. This is especially 
so for a relatively low gain antenna (e.g. 10dBi has a beamwidth of about 
60 degrees, in both horizontal and vertical planes). The effective 
"vertical beamwidth" from the ground reflection (particularly for a low 
antenna) is much narrower and will dominate.

Start getting a reasonably high gain antenna (say, 20dBi, not that this is 
practical for HF), which has about a 20 degree beamwidth, and elevation 
rotation (either mechanical or electrical, through phasing) starts to be 
more interesting.

However, I think that the real value is in "null placement" more than just 
"raw gain". It's well known that atmospheric noise is highly directional, 
so reducing the gain in the direction of the noise will improve the 
received SNR of desired signal. The same applies for reducing interfering 
signals. Say you want to work someone in Maine (and your QTH is Los 
Angeles) and there's better propagation, say, to Washington DC. A 
practical HF antenna (i.e. you don't have W6AM's array of rhombics) isn't 
going to have a narrow enough beam to allow suppressing DC while pointing 
directly at Maine. However, pointing a bit north of Maine will start to 
put DC down on the lower part of the lobe, into the null, while only 
slightly reducing the gain in the direction of Maine.

Same thing works for elevation angle.

The challenge, as Mark and Howard pointed out, is that we (hams in general) 
don't have much experience with how to use "elevation control", or, for 
that matter, "null placement control" in azimuth Heck, the vast majority 
of hams have a single antenna, in whatever position it's in, determined by 
where the trees, houses, etc. happened to be, and that works just fine for 
most of the time.

So, discussions of the value, or possible performance, of a clever phasing 
scheme using the adjustability of a SteppIR, are relevant to a small 
fraction of HF using hams, who, by nature, are sort of at the bleeding edge.

For myself, I see this sort of thing (clever phased arrays) as highly 
interesting, because it might (and *might* is the operative word) provide a 
way for hams in restricted situations to do something beyond the "single 
flagpole vertical" or "dipole on the roof", and *that* is something of 
great future value. We've been using multielement passively coupled phased 
arrays (Yagis) on tall towers for the better part of a century, and for 
those that have the place to do it, it works great. But, we're not really 
doing much to "advance the state of the radio art" by doing so, and the 
availability of "places to do it" is getting less.

The real future is in something like "What can you do in a box that is 
50x100x30 feet with a house in the middle of it", and great questions about 
"how will you know whether it actually works better" are an important part 
of it. We've all gotten beyond the "I worked 300 countries using a wet 
noodle and a bedspring" sort of thing.. That sort of achievement is more a 
testament to patience, operating skill, and ionospheric luck. We deserve 
better, and tools like SteppIRs and computer controlled phasing networks 
are something that will get us there.

Jim, W6RMK 


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