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Re: [TowerTalk] worlds biggest yagi

To: Jim Lux <>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] worlds biggest yagi
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:00:18 -0400
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The title of this discussion should be:

World's costliest yagi ARRAY.

The world's BIGGEST yagi has to be the 5-el monster at 7J4AAL [which I  
use for my desktop on Windows!].

The link is:


Quoting Jim Lux <>:

> Michael Keane K1MK wrote:
>> At 10:31 AM 3/28/2008, Jim Lux wrote:
>>> Nathaniel Lee wrote:
>>> > This is probably cheaper than mechanically rotating a rhombic!
>>> >
>>> Wasn't it Jansky who had the rotating array on railroad tracks?
>> Yes, it was Karl Jansky (discover of radio noise from the cosmos),
>> although Jansky's array rotated on tires from a Ford Model-T in a wooden
>> track. It was comparatively lightweight consisting mostly of a wood
>> frame that was only about 20 feet tall (although 100 feet across)
>> The antenna itself was an 8-element Bruce array plus reflector for 20.5
>> MHz. At the time (1930), it was the largest steerable antenna in the world.
>> Janksy's colleague at Bell Labs, Edmond Bruce, not only invented the
>> array that is named after him but the rhombic as well.
>> 73,
>> Mike K1MK
>> Michael Keane K1MK
> So the Jansky array isn't going to hack it for top band. Google also
> turned up some SW broadcast curtain arrays with towers on train tracks,
> which are probably a bit larger (39 and 41m bands maybe).
> Let's see.. you don't want the track to have too small a radius because
> it's hard to bend the rails.  Let's say, a couple hundred meters in
> diameter.  That would give you room for 8 bays across for 40m, and 2
> bays for top band.  Vertically, you'd need 150 ft or so for 40m, but
> that would be doable.  (Since there are road-able construction cranes
> that go that high).  A few engineering challenges, but, overall, not out
> of the question.
> Mind you, me being a phased array  kind of guy (move photons not metal),
> I'd go for 3-4 towers with   the dipoles strung in two axes, and then
> electrically rotate it, but I realize that doesn't have the sort of gut
> level satisfaction of just picking the whole giant antenna up and moving it.
> Which brings up an interesting idea.  What if you mounted two SteppIRs
> at 90 degrees to each other, in a fixed orientation.  Could you
> electrically steer the beam in any direction, *with the same
> performance* you could get from a rotator?  A big burly rotator,
> bearings, masts, etc, could cost as much or more as the second antenna.
> And, can you do the steering with ONLY the element lengths, hooking the
> two feedpoints in parallel.  I think so, but I'm not sure.
> By the way, the original post (and the subject) is world's biggest Yagi,
> and while this might be the biggest HF yagi array on one tower, I'll bet
> it's not the biggest yagi.  There was a monster 20m Yagi that someone
> built about 20-30 years ago, and, of course, when you go to arrays, you
> look at things like W5UN's EME array.
> And then, there are a variety of non-rotatable 75/80 and 40m Yagis made
> with wires suspended from cables between towers, as well as all manner
> of broadcast SW log periodics (granted, not a yagi) that are
> substantially larger than this beast.
> Jim, W6RMK
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