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Re: [TowerTalk] balun beads for 9913

Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] balun beads for 9913
From: Jim Brown <>
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:06:15 -0700
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  On 10/10/2010 5:26 AM, Jim Thomson wrote:
> For 50 MHz, you want two or three turns through a 1-inch long core and
> two turns through a 2-inch core,. and for maximum noise suppression, you
> will want at least three of these multi-turn chokes in series along the
> line, close to the feedpoint. The reason you need multiple chokes in
> series is that you only need 2-3 turns to put the resonance at 50 MHz,
> so you haven't got much benefit from N-squared.  Fair-Rite  #43 and #31
> are roughly equivalent at 50 MHz.
> 73, Jim K9YC
> ##  what do u mean by a 1" long core ?    Does this mean  2.4" OD x 1/2"  
> thick
> torroids used... and 2 of em stacked ?   Is a 2 " core  consist of 4 x 
> torroids ?

No, I mean ferrite cores that are not toroids. See  and the Fair-Rite catalog on 
their website.
> ## It can't be ID.   You won't fit  9913 through a  1"  ID very easily..well 
> maybe u can?

The "biggest clamp-on" described in my tutorial is 1-inch i.d. and can 
easily take three turns of 0.4-inch o.d. coax (including 9913).  See Fig 
39 and Fig 46 in the latest version of RFI-Ham.pdf  on my website (this 
was last updated in April).

> How  far apart is each of the 3 x chokes  to be spaced  from each other ?

They should be as close together as you can easily rig them.
>   How do u
> propose to keep this mess away from the boom..and or mast ??   I think I 
> would want
> all of them to be at least one outer loop diam away from metal.     If they 
> are touching
> metal, the C  between coax braid and boom/mast/tower  will surely screw up 
> the chokes ?
> You would end up lowering their resonant freq.   The stray C would parallel 
> resonate the
> chokes..and probably increase the choking Z...  but at a lower freq.   It 
> might be broad enough
> peak to still cover 6m.

That's good thinking, and it's correct.  What matters is the capacitance 
between the coax on one side of the choke and the coax on the other side 
of the choke. That will not be zero. but it will be small, and the 
capacitance between the cable and the boom on one side of the choke will 
be in series with the capacitance between the cable and the boom on the 
other side of the choke.  Remember that the resonance is being tuned by 
both the inductance of our choke and the stray C of the choke. That C 
has two parts -- the capacitance between turns, and the capacitance 
between the coax and the core.  For most practical chokes, the 
capacitance between turns dominates.
> ## In some cases, you can't hang em below a boom...if the connections  are on 
> top of the boom.
> Even if hung below a boom,  I would not want them flapping in the breeze.   
> What's the fix ?

That's the challenge. :)   You seem to have a good grasp of the 
variables, so do your best with the rigging and call CQ.

73, Jim K9YC


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