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Re: [TowerTalk] Choice of aluminum

To: Jorge Diez - CX6VM <cx6vm.jorge@gmail.com>, "towertalk@contesting.com" <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Choice of aluminum
From: Rudy Bakalov <r_bakalov@yahoo.com>
Reply-to: Rudy Bakalov <r_bakalov@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:15:04 -0700 (PDT)
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Jorge,

Before you give up on the vertical idea and spend your money on building 
towers, do take a look at 
http://static.dxengineering.com/global/images/instructions/dxe-7580fsva-1-rev1b.pdf ;
 and 
http://static.dxengineering.com/global/images/instructions/dxe-7580fsva-2-rev4a.pdf
 for the "heavy duty" version. The manual claims "Guying is usually at 2 
levels. Bandwidth is outstanding, a 456 to 528 kHz 2:1 bandwidth depending on 
your radial field."

Also, are you going to use a single vertical or a 4-square system? I am 
building a 4SQ so the question of bandwidth gets even more complicated due to 
the 75 Ohm phasing lines.


Rudy N2WQ


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 From: Jorge Diez - CX6VM <cx6vm.jorge@gmail.com>
To: 'Rudy Bakalov' <r_bakalov@yahoo.com>; towertalk@contesting.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: [TowerTalk] Choice of aluminum
 

Hi Rudy,
 
You are lucky!, I am considering something for CW/SSB J
 
There´s some commercials self supporting towers. Also a Rohn 25 is good for a 
guyed tower. My problem is shipment cost and handling.
 
So looking for instructions about how to build one J
 
73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W
 
De:Rudy Bakalov [mailto:r_bakalov@yahoo.com] 
Enviado el: sábado, 13 de octubre de 2012 21:46
Para: Jorge Diez - CX6VM; TexasRF@aol.com; towertalk@contesting.com
Asunto: Re: [TowerTalk] Choice of aluminum
 
Jorge,
 
This is a great question that has been on my mind for a while. I was very 
tempted to try to model it, but never found the time to do so. I also thought 
that all I care about is the CW/RTTY portion of 80m.
 
That said, I decided to see what DX Engineering offers on their site for 80 m. 
Two very interesting observations from the 80m vertical installation manual:
 
1) they use very small size tubing, not even close to what I am considering (my 
current 40m vertical uses better tubing!!!)
2) they claim a very wide bandwidth
 
So if their 80m verticals are half as good as they claim, the much beefier size 
tubing I am considering should do very well.
 
Rudy N2WQ

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From:Jorge Diez - CX6VM <cx6vm.jorge@gmail.com>
To: 'Rudy Bakalov' <r_bakalov@yahoo.com>; TexasRF@aol.com; 
towertalk@contesting.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 7:36 PM
Subject: RE: [TowerTalk] Choice of aluminum

Hello Rudy

What´s the bandwidth of this verticals compare with towers?

73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W

-----Mensaje original-----
De: TowerTalk [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] En nombre de Rudy
Bakalov
Enviado el: sábado, 13 de octubre de 2012 21:04
Para: TexasRF@aol.com; towertalk@contesting.com
Asunto: Re: [TowerTalk] Choice of aluminum

Gerald,

Thanks for the comprehensive answer. I didn't realize that 6061-T6 is more
expensive than 6063 as I was looking online prices in chunks of 12 and 24'.

Just for kicks I prices a 4-Square set of verticals made of 24' sections of
3", 2.5", and 2.0", 0.25" wall thickness. $2,300 delivered for the set.
Doesn't look that bad compared to dealing with towers and tower crews.


Rudy N2WQ


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From: "TexasRF@aol.com" <TexasRF@aol.com>
To: r_bakalov@yahoo.com; towertalk@contesting.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Choice of aluminum


Hi Rudy, 6061-T6 aluminum has a yield strength rating the same as 6063-T832 
that is sold by Texas Towers and others.
 
The 6061-T6 costs more than 6063-T832 because of the extra 
heating/quenching steps needed to reach the rated yield strength. 6063-T832 
reaches the rated yield strength by work hardening the material in the
drawing 
process.
 
If you want a self supporting vertical, then you would need to go through 
the same process as designing a 80 meter beam element with most of the
material 
weight left out of the calculations. Just as a guess I would expect the
bottom 
section to be about 4" diameter with a .25" wall.
 
This is not a trivial structure! Please proceed with caution!
 
If you want a guyed vertical, there are a number of them that have been on 
the air long enough to think about duplicating one. W5UN is one that comes
to 
mind.
 
73,
Gerald K5GW
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/13/2012 4:09:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
r_bakalov@yahoo.com writes:
I was  wondering if anyone can help me select the right material for
full-size 80m  verticals. My questions are as follows:
>
>1) metalsupermarkets.com offers 
  6061-T6 aluminum, but not T8. Is there a difference between T6 and T8 for
my 
  purpose?
>2) Should go for the 0.125 or 0.065 wall thickness?
>3) Is 1" 
  tubing OK for the topmost segment? Too stiff for the wind at 70'? Not
strong 
  enough?
>
>
>I am aware that many ham stores offer 6061-T8 tubing, but I 
  do want to buy it local in VE3, close to my QTH, in 12' lengths (instead
of 
  6') and avoid shipping complications due to length or clearing 
  customs.
>
>73 Rudy 
  N2WQ
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