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Re: [TowerTalk] Please Help Me Decide on a Tribander or Monobanders

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Please Help Me Decide on a Tribander or Monobanders
From: Jerry <grf@npgcable.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:47:41 -0700
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I love my Skyhawk and you can load it with a tuner to work 17 & 12M. Just finished my DXCC on those bands.
73
Jerry France
K7LY
Lake Havasu City, AZ

On 4/18/2013 4:01 PM, k2qmf@juno.com wrote:
Go for the SkyHawk tribander.
Much better than the Force 12 and less expensive too...
Longer boom etc.

73,
Ted  K2QMF

On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:24:31 -0500 Richard Thorne <rthorne@rthorne.net>
writes:
I sure like my C31XR at 79' with a Delta 240 mounted 10' above it. I

plan on changing out the 240 with a Delta 230/240  and lower it to
about
7' above the C31xr then add a WARC 2/2 at the 10' level.  That will
give
me a rotatable 10 through 40 solution.

I also have a C3 tribander (going on 17 years old) mounted on a
rotatable swinging side gate at 40'.

I really like the F12 antennas, instant band change and made in
America.

Rich - N5ZC


On 4/18/2013 4:06 PM, Wayne Willenberg wrote:
My 86 or 89 foot crank-up tower project seems to be progressing
through my
County review boards.  So now I am getting really excited for my
first
tower.

I am now in ham nirvana because I have to start making up my mind
on which
antenna(s) to put on the 15’ mast.  Here is my first dilemma.
Should I put
up a tribander (10, 15 and 20M) or 3 monobanders.  My intuition
said there
was no way a tribander with the same 20M boom length could beat 3
monobanders having a 20M antenna with the same boom length.

So, just as an exercise, I looked at Force 12 antennas.  (I am
not
endorsing Force 12 antennas, although they do seem to have a good
reputation.  I am also aware that the performance specs of
antenna
manufacturers need to be taken with a grain of salt –this is not
meant to
be a criticism of Force 12.)

I started with the Force 12 model C-31XR tribander.  It has 14
elements on
a boom length of 31’, a wind load of 10.7 sqft and published
figures of:
20M gain: 14.0dBi, a F/B of 20dB,

15M gain: 14.3dBi, a F/B of 22dB, and

10M gain: 15.6dBi, a F/B of 21dB.  Published price: $2,970

Then, I looked for monobanders from Force 12 that had a boom
length for the
20M monobander close to the C-31XR and a gain in the vicinity of
the of the
tribander for each of the 3 bands.  Here is what I found:

EF-420 (20M with 4 elements) has a boom length of 30’, a gain of
14.5Dbi,
a  F/B of 22dB, a wind load of 5.5 sqft, and a cost of $1,300.

EF-415 (15M with 4 elements) has a boom length of 20’, a gain of
14.6Dbi, a
F/B of 22dB, a wind load of 2.8 sqft, and a cost of $869.

EF-510 (10M with 5 elements) has a boom length of 18’, a gain of
15.1dBi, a
F/B of 23, a wind load of 2.5 sqft, and a cost of $799.

The total wind load of the 3 monobanders is 10.8 sqft and a total
cost of
$2,968.

So, at first glance, the price and wind load of the tribander is
practically the same as the sum of the 3 monobanders.  There is no
more
than an additional 0.5dB of gain (and 0.5 dB loss of gain on 10M)
with
monobanders;  a gain of 2dB F/B (and 2dB more F/B on 10M) for
monobanders.
However, I am aware that there will be a degradation of the
performance of
at least the middle monobander if I put 3 of them, in a Christmas
tree
fashion, on a 15’ mast.  I haven’t been able to find a good
discussion of
the amount of degradation—even the 22nd Edition of the Antenna
Book has
only a few words to say about this.  Please direct me to a
discussion of
this topic if you know one.  I may have to model these antennas on
EZNEC to
see the impact of 3 antennas confined to a 15 foot mast.

On the other hand, there has to be a compromise when 3 antennas
are mounted
on a single boom.

I would really appreciate your help in finding all of the specs I
should be
looking at in making this decision.  Any other comments that would
push me
one way or the other would also be appreciated.

Please help me with my first tower!

73, Wayne KK6BT
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