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Re: [TowerTalk] Single tower and 3 monoband yagis - "Christmas three"

To: Billy Cox <aa4nu@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Single tower and 3 monoband yagis - "Christmas three"
From: Fuad Arnautovic <infobih@infobih.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 21:02:18 +0000
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Hi Billy

Thank you for sharing your experience. I supposed that required configuration 
will not work as expected.

It seems that available tower /height,spacing/ not allow optimal spacing 
between antennas and more higher is a must.

So I will consider to go only with 15/10 m on one tower with maximum space 
between antennas /16ft/ what I can afford for the moment, 

For 20m I should wait for second tower which can benefit also to put some 40m 
antenna on.

Best 73
Fudo

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From: TowerTalk [towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] on behalf of Billy Cox 
[aa4nu@comcast.net]
Sent: 11 December 2014 21:18
To: Fuad Arnautovic
Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Single tower and 3 monoband    yagis   -       
"Christmas      three"

Good Afternoon Fudo,

May I suggest before you invest into doing this, you review W6QHS/W6NL
and N6BT's published materials on the "christmas tree".

Both found the performance, regardless of which yagi that you place on
the top, was much less especially on 10 and 15.

Many years ago, I helped friends put up (despite all my reservations)
a 3L40, 5L20, 5L15, and 5L10, all Telrex, on a 3" mast that was at
best perhaps 14' in exposed height on 100' of Rohn 55G.

It was simply too many antennas placed too close together. I still
believe he would have been better off with the 3L40 and a larger
tribander, something like the C31XR or similar option today and use
individual feedlines for each band?

Hope this helps and Season Greetings to you and yours!

73 de Billy, AA4NU

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fuad Arnautovic" <infobih@infobih.com>

Thank you

I will probably try 10/15/20 from lowest to highest with spacing of app. 8 
feets.

73 Fudo

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From: TowerTalk [towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] on behalf of 
n8de@thepoint.net [n8de@thepoint.net]
I agree with Joe, W4TV, but, would add the comment:

PUT THE 20M monobander on TOP of the stack .. that is .. invert it,
with the 10m on the BOTTOM.

73
Don
N8DE



Quoting "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@subich.com>:

>
> Unless the monobanders have been designed to operate in a stack
> ("Christmas tree"), stacking them as closely as will be needed to
> stay within your 5m mast will certainly reduce their performance.
>
> If the monobanders have been optimized to work in a stack, use the
> spacing for which they were designed.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2014-12-11 9:16 AM, Fuad Arnautovic wrote:
>> Hi all
>>
>> I need advice from some more experienced with stacking about possible setup.
>>
>> Have self-standing tower abt 18 mtr, mast 50 mm (2") 5-6 metres long
>>
>> Antennas are three monoband yagis as follows
>>
>> 20m 4el 9,5m boom
>> 15m 5el 9,6m boom
>> 10m 5el 7,6m boom
>>
>> Does it "Christmas tree" setup working well with this monobanders?
>> What is your recommendation for vertical spacing between? Does 2"
>> mast is strong enough to support all them.
>>
>> I would install lowest antenna for 20m then 15m and on the top 10m
>>
>> I know that is compromise against performance and radiation
>> pattern, but actually cannot install another tower
>>
>> Please help
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>> Fudo, E73CQ
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