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Re: [TowerTalk] Practical Grounding at reasonable cost.

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Practical Grounding at reasonable cost.
From: Mike Reublin NF4L <nf4l@comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 18:35:56 -0500
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The guy who dug and poured the base for my tower used a length of steel culvert 
(4' dia x 10' len) as a form. He covered one end with a piece of plywood, stood 
it up in the well the hole had turned into and pushed it down to the bottom 
with the back hoe bucket. Ingenious. I thought.

73, Mike NF4L

> On Jan 20, 2015, at 6:14 PM, Roger (K8RI) on TT <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> On 1/20/2015 10:34 AM, Patrick Greenlee wrote:
> 
> It can be done that way and is often easier, but construction sites often 
> have their own way of doing things.  The soil around here is often very moist 
> (read, sloppy.  The heavy concrete casting "sometimes" can force its way 
> through the muck that rapidly fills the bottom portion of the hole.  so for 
> those conditions its easier, or even the only way..  A form in the hole 
> defeats the purpose of the concrete.
> 
> My front yard would be ideal for boring the hole and casting in place.  It'd 
> never work in the back yard.  In the NW corner, holes are temporary.  They 
> last long enough that the casting could displace 2 or even three feet of mud 
> "if you hurry" but would be questionable as to what you'd get with a pour.
> 
> As an example:  I dug the holes for the guy anchors for my 100' 45G. with the 
> intention of making and installing forms the next morning and doing the 3 
> pours in the afternoon.  The problem was that the next morning there were 
> only two holes and a 10' wide depression, about a foot deep where the hole 
> had been for the NW guy anchor.  It would have worked if we had, had the form 
> ready and dropped it in the hole.  We might have had to pump out the water 
> but the hole would have still been there.  We didn't even need a form for the 
> South hole.
> 
> My tower base  http://www.rogerhalstead.com/ham_files/tower11.htm Undisturbed 
> soil was easily done!
> and the hole that needed to be dug again 
> http://www.rogerhalstead.com/ham_files/tower12.htm  It looks dry, but believe 
> me, it was only dry on top.  It's almost like very wet Peat on the side 
> toward the camera.
> 
> We had no choice except to use a form, but Id make the forms differently if 
> doing it again. I'd set it up so as the pour filled the form the internal 
> braces could easily be pulled out.  Getting those sides out was a real PITA.  
> I didn't worry about the braces.  With the forms back-filled before the pour 
> and nature took car of at least half of that, the sides could have easily 
> been pulled up.after the concrete set.
> 
> OTOH if doing it again, I'd spend the money and go with a large crank-up had 
> I known I'd no longer be able to climb 7 years later..
> 
> The concrete in slop is still more effective than a single ground rod in slop.
> 
> 73
> 
> Roger (K8RI)
> 
>> 
>> On 1/20/2015 2:46 AM, Roger (K8RI) on TT wrote:
>>> The ones I have seen  are formed by using a large cardboard tube as a form 
>>> to cast the ground rod in concrete. (remove the form before planting the 
>>> ground!) An auger digs a hole of the proper diameter to the proper depth 
>>> and the encased rod is lowered into place. Not cheap, but very effective.
>> 
>> 
>> I don't get it.  Why not augur the hole and place the rebar in it (with 
>> proper clearance from dirt contact) and pour concrete into the hole?  Why 
>> complicate the process, adding the extra hassle and expense of the Sonatube. 
>>  The hole in the ground is a "wash", needed either way but no heavy 
>> equipment needed to pick up the formed rebar filled concrete cylinder and 
>> you don't buy and destroy a big sonatube (cylindrical cardboard form 
>> typically used to extend a pier hole above grade and similar.) Also it is 
>> much easier to pour concrete into a hole in the ground than to fill a big 
>> sonatube.
>> 
>> Patrick   NJ5G
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> 
> Roger (K8RI)
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