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Re: [TowerTalk] Force 12 rebuild

To: Patrick Greenlee <patrick_g@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Force 12 rebuild
From: Kim Elmore <cw_de_n5op@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 14:22:49 -0600
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I've had UV eat up the Nylon in nylock nuts. Theses were exposed to direct 
sunlight for several years and the nylon insert was simply gone. I think that 
if they were protected, they'd last indefinitely. 

Kim N5OP

"People that make music together cannot be enemies, at least as long as the 
music lasts." -- Paul Hindemith

> On Jan 11, 2016, at 14:15, Patrick Greenlee <patrick_g@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> The only problems I have had with Nylocks are:
> 1.  welding too close to them and softening the plastic., and
> 2. reusing them too many times.
> 
> If there had been any UV deterioration problems within my personal experience 
> I would start painting over the exposed Nylon with a UV/environment proofing 
> material to ameliorate the effect.
> 
> Nylocks are just too nifty and convenient to stop using them because UV eats 
> them (if it does in any specific circumstances.)
> 
>> On 1/11/2016 11:22 AM, David Robbins wrote:
>> two things... I have never had a problem with nylocks used on the m2 
>> antennas and have had some up for quite a few years now.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Roger, I believe you, but you are the only person I know who's had problems 
>> with nylock nuts. I think you got a bad batch.
>> 
>> Chris
>> KF7P
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>>> On Jan 11, 2016, at 7:42 AM, Roger (K8RI) on TT wrote:
>>> 
>>> I rebuilt, or more like, reassembled a C19XR. Tubing cleaner brushes work 
>>> very well at removing the crud from ~4" from the ends. A few brass barrel 
>>> brushes with the extensions powered with an electric drill motor will 
>>> easily go the 6 or 8 inches inside the tube ends which should be more than 
>>> enough,. Use the swabs (2 or 3" long) to apply your lube and antioxidant of 
>>> choice. They will easily coat the inside uniformly. The ultra-fine Scotch 
>>> Bright pads do a real nice job on the outside of the matching tube.
>>> I didn't get it up soon enough so now I need to replace three tubes on one 
>>> end of the 20 meter reflector. Someone (not me) ran into the reflector with 
>>> one of the rear wheels of a zero turning radius lawn mower
>>> 
>>> My work won't look near as nice as the projects shown. I only cleaned the 
>>> mating surfaces for tubes and straps. Insulators were in good shape.
>>> I have lots of SS rivets and screws. As I mentioned in another post. I like 
>>> the Nylock nuts, but they just don't last around here.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
>>> Roger (K8RI)
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 1/11/2016 Monday 9:11 AM, Tom_N2SR via TowerTalk wrote:
>>>> Nice work!
>>>> One thought about cleaning aluminum. A few years ago, I posted here 
>>>> looking for a way to clean up aluminum that was sitting in the dirt. 
>>>> Someone suggested HVAC coil cleaner. I was able to get a small container 
>>>> of the stuff, and WOW does it work. It's very caustic, and you'll have to 
>>>> wear good gloves and old clothes, but it works extremely well, and it's 
>>>> probably much cheaper than the Locktite product you used. I used the coil 
>>>> cleaner straight, applied it with old rags (they will disintegrate as you 
>>>> used them!), let it sit a bit, and use the garden hose to spray the stuff 
>>>> off. The booms and tubing looked 100% better. Not like brand new 
>>>> "polished" tubing, but still much better than having it look grungy.
>>>> Tom, N2SR
>>>> 
>>>> From: Howard Hoyt
>>>> To: towertalk@contesting.com
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 11:03 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Force 12 rebuild
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> All the talk about older Force 12 linear loading vs. Tornado coil
>>>> upgrades inspired me to rebuild a 20-yr old C-4SXL I have had stored in
>>>> pieces for a few years. I took some pictures along the way, and you can
>>>> read about the process here:
>>>> 
>>>> https://proaudioeng.com/force-12-c-4sxl-rebuild/
>>>> 
>>>> I appreciate all the knowledge I have gained from this group that helped
>>>> me with the project, your comments and abuse are welcomed.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers & 73,
>>>> 
>>>> Howie - WA4PSC
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>>> 
>>> Roger (K8RI)
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