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Re: [TowerTalk] Tower buried section legs -- Buried in Concrete orBelow

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower buried section legs -- Buried in Concrete orBelow the Concrete?
From: Donald Chester <k4kyv@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 19:19:49 +0000
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I can't understand why so many hams build towers this way, especially a former 
AM BCB tower. The proper way to erect a guyed tower, particularly one more than 
about
50' tall, is to attach a flat base plate to the bottom of the tower.  The base 
plate has a hole at the centre of the triangle formed by the tower legs.  A 
galvanised steel pier pin is embedded in the concrete base pier, and extends up 
4" to 6" above the surface of the concrete.  The first tower section is merely 
set on top of the concrete, with the pier pin sticking up through the hole, 
held vertical with a set of  temporary guys that remain in place until the 
first permanent set of guys is attached  That way, the tower is free to rock 
and sway back and forth on the concrete, and maybe even rotate, in heavy wind 
gusts.  This puts far less stress on the structure of tower sections. With a 
rigidly attached bottom section buried in the concrete, any motion caused by 
winds causes bending and twisting of the tower structure. This unnecessary 
stress can eventually cause weld failures and even shear bolts.

Another plus, the base plate alleviates the necessity to absolutely perfectly 
plumb the bottom section before stacking the rest of the tower. After the job 
is finished, the tower can be fine-plumbed by adjusting the guy wires, without 
permanently stressing the tower.

Temporarily guying the bottom section and plumbing it to the best of one's 
ability before stacking the rest of the tower sections is certainly easier and 
less critical that trying to get the bottom section PERFECTLY plumb in the 
concrete (temporary guys still required) before proceeding. 

With a substantial communications or broadcast tower, the bottom section was 
probably tapered to a point to begin with, making it unnecessary to even 
purchase or construct a base plate, and the pointed end allows even more 
freedom of movement with winds and guy wire adjustments.

How many large commercial towers have you even seen with the bottom section 
buried in concrete?


Don k4kyv


Mon Feb 1 10:54:50 EST 2016
Grant Saviers grants2 at pacbell.net wrote:

> Interesting.  My R65 is 15+ years old, former AM BCB 
> tower, 20 foot 
> sections.

> Grant KZ1W

On 1/30/2016 19:46 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
>>
> There are no weep holes in my Rohn 65G.
>
> John KK9A
>
> To:   Dan Cisson<n4gnr at windstream.net>,    'Patrick Greenlee'
> <patrick_g at windstream.net>,towertalk at contesting.com
> Subject:      Re: [TowerTalk] [Bulk] Re: Tower buried section legs --
> Buried in Concrete orBelow the Concrete?
> From: Grant Saviers<grants2 at pacbell.net>
> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:12:06 -0800
>
>
> FYI, Rohn 65 with 4 bolt 5/8" thick flanges on each leg has one 1/4" weep
> hole on each leg, at both ends right next to the flange. The flanges are
> drilled to the leg od and welded outside and inside to the tube before
> galvanizing. So there are redundant paths for water to escape. My PE
> specified 1 foot of 3/4 gravel for the legs to be set into before the 4x4x2'
> base pad was poured.
>
>
> Grant KZ1W
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