I installed a ground rod by using a water hose to do the drilling and it
took me about fifteen minutes for an 8 foot rod. I slip the rod inside a
garden hose and turn on the water. The water washes away the dirt in my
area. I have to work the rod a bit when things slow down but I have not
been stopped. I suppose a rock might be dead center and stop me but that
has not happened in three installations. You could use pvc pipe with a
hose fitting for this if you like the outer part to be more rigid. I like
to be able to grip the pipe through the hose myself. The hole is pretty
easy to fill around the rod.
David Voit
WB6TOU
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 18:19:20 -0500
> From: "Roger (K8RI) on TT" <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net>
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Station and tower grounding
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> Have you tried a fence post driver? Much easier than a hammer and no
> need to aim.
>
> 73
>
> Roger (K8RI)
>
> On 12/3/2016 12:22 PM, StellarCAT wrote:
> > I did just that - borrowed a hammer drill - after 30 minutes it got me
> > maybe, maybe 1/2".... I went back to hammering. It was more effective.
> > The clay and sandstone here is terrible. More than likely the one that
> > I borrowed wasn't big enough - although it was pretty darn substantial.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Richard Thorne
> > Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 11:40 AM
> > To: towertalk@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Station and tower grounding
> >
> > Go rent a hammer drill and purchase a ground rod adapter for installing
> > ground rods.
> >
> > Makes quick work of installing an 8' ground rod.
> >
> > I had 5 ground rods installed in less than 30 minutes. We have clay and
> > cliche here in the Amarillo panhandle.
> >
> > Rich - N5ZC
> >
> > On 12/3/2016 10:07 AM, Jeff Draughn wrote:
> >> I live in Kansas in an area that has some of the worst clay that I have
> >> ever had to deal with.
> >> It's sticky gooey terrible stuff, sticks to everything like epoxy!
> >> Trying to drive eight-foot ground rods's in the ground is near
> >> impossible,
> >> I think the stickiness just builds to a point where it's near impossible
> >> even using a 10 pound sledge.
> >>
> >> So my question is would several 4 foot rods placed approximately 4 feet
> >> apart be satisfactory?
> >>
> >> Thanks for your thoughts and inputs.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Jeff
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> --
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> 73
>
> Roger (K8RI)
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 18:09:35 -0700
> From: W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu@w0mu.com>
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Station and tower grounding
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> In known rocky areas I have found that you should drive them in on an
> angle. It gives them a chance to deflect. I found driving them into
> soil filled with river rocks to be much easier when slanted.
>
>
> On 12/3/2016 10:39 AM, Patrick Greenlee wrote:
> > I found that really difficult to drive rods would tend to bend when
> > hit really hard with a sledge so... I cut a couple lengths of tubing,
> > one about a foot and the other a couple feet. They are sized to let
> > the rod go inside easily, a tight fit is not required. With one of
> > these over the ground rod where it would bend it doesn't bend and it
> > keeps the force of the blows aligned with driving the rod, keeping it
> > "in column" and not being wasted flexing or bending the rod.
> >
> > I have also used an electric "demo" (demolition) hammer with a rod
> > driving bit and with patience could drive rods where hammering was
> > nearly impossible. I climb up a ladder to balance the electric demo
> > hammer on the rod. I don't have to support the hammer just balance it
> > and experiment with applying down force or just letting the hammer's
> > weight do the job. Sometimes one works better than the other.
> >
> >
> > Patrick NJ5G
> >
> >
> > On 12/3/2016 11:22 AM, StellarCAT wrote:
> >> I did just that - borrowed a hammer drill - after 30 minutes it got
> >> me maybe, maybe 1/2".... I went back to hammering. It was more
> >> effective. The clay and sandstone here is terrible. More than likely
> >> the one that I borrowed wasn't big enough - although it was pretty
> >> darn substantial.
> >>
> >> Gary
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Richard Thorne
> >> Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 11:40 AM
> >> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> >> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Station and tower grounding
> >>
> >> Go rent a hammer drill and purchase a ground rod adapter for installing
> >> ground rods.
> >>
> >> Makes quick work of installing an 8' ground rod.
> >>
> >> I had 5 ground rods installed in less than 30 minutes. We have clay and
> >> cliche here in the Amarillo panhandle.
> >>
> >> Rich - N5ZC
> >>
> >> On 12/3/2016 10:07 AM, Jeff Draughn wrote:
> >>> I live in Kansas in an area that has some of the worst clay that I have
> >>> ever had to deal with.
> >>> It's sticky gooey terrible stuff, sticks to everything like epoxy!
> >>> Trying to drive eight-foot ground rods's in the ground is near
> >>> impossible,
> >>> I think the stickiness just builds to a point where it's near
> >>> impossible
> >>> even using a 10 pound sledge.
> >>>
> >>> So my question is would several 4 foot rods placed approximately 4 feet
> >>> apart be satisfactory?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for your thoughts and inputs.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Jeff
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2016 02:06:38 +0000
> From: Jeff Draughn <n0ost99@gmail.com>
> To: W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu@w0mu.com>, towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Station and tower grounding
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> Driving them in at a slant is a new twist to me but sounds like a good idea
> for rocky land.
> I've tried the hammer drills also a "T" post driver which worked pretty
> good to about 4 feet. Then had to go to the sledge hammer.
>
> Thanks to all for the input.
> I may give the jack hammer a try or the water drill.
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
>
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 7:09 PM W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu@w0mu.com> wrote:
>
> > In known rocky areas I have found that you should drive them in on an
> > angle. It gives them a chance to deflect. I found driving them into
> > soil filled with river rocks to be much easier when slanted.
> >
> >
> > On 12/3/2016 10:39 AM, Patrick Greenlee wrote:
> > > I found that really difficult to drive rods would tend to bend when
> > > hit really hard with a sledge so... I cut a couple lengths of tubing,
> > > one about a foot and the other a couple feet. They are sized to let
> > > the rod go inside easily, a tight fit is not required. With one of
> > > these over the ground rod where it would bend it doesn't bend and it
> > > keeps the force of the blows aligned with driving the rod, keeping it
> > > "in column" and not being wasted flexing or bending the rod.
> > >
> > > I have also used an electric "demo" (demolition) hammer with a rod
> > > driving bit and with patience could drive rods where hammering was
> > > nearly impossible. I climb up a ladder to balance the electric demo
> > > hammer on the rod. I don't have to support the hammer just balance it
> > > and experiment with applying down force or just letting the hammer's
> > > weight do the job. Sometimes one works better than the other.
> > >
> > >
> > > Patrick NJ5G
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/3/2016 11:22 AM, StellarCAT wrote:
> > >> I did just that - borrowed a hammer drill - after 30 minutes it got
> > >> me maybe, maybe 1/2".... I went back to hammering. It was more
> > >> effective. The clay and sandstone here is terrible. More than likely
> > >> the one that I borrowed wasn't big enough - although it was pretty
> > >> darn substantial.
> > >>
> > >> Gary
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message----- From: Richard Thorne
> > >> Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 11:40 AM
> > >> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> > >> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Station and tower grounding
> > >>
> > >> Go rent a hammer drill and purchase a ground rod adapter for
> installing
> > >> ground rods.
> > >>
> > >> Makes quick work of installing an 8' ground rod.
> > >>
> > >> I had 5 ground rods installed in less than 30 minutes. We have clay
> and
> > >> cliche here in the Amarillo panhandle.
> > >>
> > >> Rich - N5ZC
> > >>
> > >> On 12/3/2016 10:07 AM, Jeff Draughn wrote:
> > >>> I live in Kansas in an area that has some of the worst clay that I
> have
> > >>> ever had to deal with.
> > >>> It's sticky gooey terrible stuff, sticks to everything like epoxy!
> > >>> Trying to drive eight-foot ground rods's in the ground is near
> > >>> impossible,
> > >>> I think the stickiness just builds to a point where it's near
> > >>> impossible
> > >>> even using a 10 pound sledge.
> > >>>
> > >>> So my question is would several 4 foot rods placed approximately 4
> feet
> > >>> apart be satisfactory?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for your thoughts and inputs.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>> Jeff
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 00:02:54 -0500
> From: "Mike Ryan" <mryan001@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Scrounging for some Rohn 45G components
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> I have a Rohn 45 base plate if one is needed. - Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TowerTalk [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> Roger
> (K8RI) on TT
> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 6:15 PM
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Scrounging for some Rohn 45G components
>
> I have a number of the guy brackets, shackles, washers, bolts and nuts.
> I'd need to go out to the shop and count.
> Now I just need to remember until the next time I go out there
>
> 73
>
> Roger (K8RI)
>
> On 12/3/2016 12:34 AM, Rene Correa, K5JX wrote:
> > Greetings. I'm looking for the following:
> >
> > Rohn APL45G tower top plate
> > Rohn GA45GD guy bracket assembly
> > Rohn GAC3455TOP guy anchor rods
> >
> > If you have any that are surplus to your needs, please drop me a line
> > off the list.
> >
> > Thanks/73.
> >
> > Rene K5JX
> > k5jx@earthlink.net
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
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>
> --
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> 73
>
> Roger (K8RI)
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 07:57:51 -0600
> From: <marsh@ka5m.net>
> To: "'Tower Talk'" <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] No Info In WL 12.11D BandMap Box After Windows 10
> Update
> Message-ID: <000201d24e36$68a4ff90$39eefeb0$@ka5m.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> Running Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit.
>
> I updated to WL 12.11D Friday afternoon and operated in the ARRL 160M CW
> Contest. WriteLog worked great - no problems.
>
> Saturday afternoon I turned the computer on and there was a major Windows
> 10
> Update - it took a while. After the update and several re-boots I started
> WriteLog. I had a BandMap box were it was before, but there is nothing in
> it. Also IE and Edge did not display correctly - lots of blank boxes where
> pictures should be.
>
> I updated the Intel HD Graphics driver to the latest version dated 4-4-16
> and now IE and Edge display correctly, but still no info in the WriteLog
> BandMap box.
>
> Any suggestions would be welcome.
>
> Marsh, KA5M
>
>
>
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