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Re: [TowerTalk] 4 SQ issue

To: Alan Swinger <awswinger@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 4 SQ issue
From: Mpridesti via TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Mpridesti <mpridesti@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 18:00:06 -0400
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Alan

Thanks for pulling your task together and the troubleshooting results. 
Hopefully I don’t have have DXE replace parts. TBD

Regards,

Mark, K1RX


> On Nov 2, 2021, at 5:50 PM, Alan Swinger <awswinger@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Subject: 4 Square Issues
> In response to the apparent intermittent issues mentioned, I recently went 
> through a full Full System analysis/check of my 40M 4 square w/ the help of 
> the DX Eng tech team. My concern was that I was observing degraded 
> performance (based on on-air sig repts) in the NW direction & also saw some 
> unusual SWR readings in the NW direction. The Verticals are homebrew alum 2 
> in (30 ft) to ½ in extensions, and the 4 phase coax lines and phasing box are 
> from DXE – had the system up for 10 yrs w/p issues and worked great.
> The system check started w/ determining if the issue was in the antennas and/ 
> or the phasing lines. So, here are the steps:
> * Disconnected all phasing lines from the antennas and the Box
> * Dropped all antennas except one – checked the SWR w/ my MFJ 259 analyzer, 
> and the repeated for ea of the other three verticals to see if any SWR 
> readings were bad . . . this also allowed me the opportunity to flush all 
> kinds of junk (bugs, bird stuff etc) from the tubing and clean up the tubing 
> interfaces; and also to re-tune ea vertical independently.
> * Did the same procedure with the phasing lines connected – read the SWR to 
> ea of the verticals thru the phasing line to determine if any reading was 
> unusual. Readings were all OK after both of these steps
> * Reconnected all phasing lines to the DXE phasing box and checked SWR from 
> the transmitter – Still no crazy bad readings!
> * So, the DXE tech and I agreed that there was a problem in the Phasing box. 
> I sent it and they changed out a bunch of bad relays (10 yrs old!), I put it 
> back on the air and all is well . .. working DX again!
>  
> Hope this helps.
> 73 and Good DX – Alan K9MBQ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mpridesti 
> Sent: Nov 2, 2021 2:48 PM
> To: Jorge Diez - CX6VM 
> Cc: 
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 4 SQ issue
>  
> Jorge
>  
> I am using the Comtek box.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Mark, K1RX
>  
>  
>> On Nov 2, 2021, at 2:44 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello Mark
>> 
>> what 4SQ box do you use? DXE or homemade?
>> 
>> Sometimes, after several days that I not use my DXE-TFS4, antennas show high 
>> SWR, I need to TX with high power to return them to low SWR
>> 
>> 73,
>> Jorge
>> CX6VM/CW5W
>> 
>>>> El mar, 2 nov 2021 a las 12:41, Mpridesti via TowerTalk () escribió:
>>> My 80 m 4 SQ seems to work well in 3 positions. To the SW the signal drop 
>>> in the favored direction where the other 3 directions appear to work well.
>>> 
>>> SWR measurements seem normal around 2:1 at the end of the 1/4 wave 75 ohm 
>>> lines except one which is 1.87. Haven’t made loss measurements yet but I 
>>> suspect the lowest SWR line is the problem (low reading due to higher than 
>>> normal loss making it the suspect line).
>>> 
>>> Has anyone else experienced this type of behavior? Also the suspect line is 
>>> the NW element and the direction which has the problem is SW. Does this 
>>> make sense? Effectively this lossy element is the other half of the “driven 
>>> element “ if you thought of the 4 sq as a 3 el vertical beam.
>>> 
>>> Keeping with this concept, one would think the NE direction would have 
>>> similar loss but it doesn’t (or it’s not noticeable).
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Mark, K1RX
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
>> --
>> 73,
>> Jorge
>> CX6VM/CW5W
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