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21. Re: [RTTY] Cheating (score: 1): Author: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" <w0mu@w0mu.com>; Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:54:10 -0600; Where do you draw the line? My radio has two separate receivers and two vfo's. One radio. I can change bands very fast if I want. So you want to classify every piece of gear on someones shack? CC Pac; /archives//html/RTTY/2010-06/msg00205.html (9,011 bytes)
22. Re: [RTTY] cheating (score: 1): Author: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" <w0mu@w0mu.com>; Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:57:52 -0600; A great op using SO2R probably has an advantage. So do ops with 200 ft towers, big amps, 11k rigs, hardline, stacks etc. What I hear is a bunch of people that do not want to change and embrace someth; /archives//html/RTTY/2010-06/msg00206.html (9,480 bytes)
23. Re: [RTTY] cheating (score: 1): Author: "Gary AL9A" <al9a@mtaonline.net>; Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:10:52 -0800; I always run SO1R and while I have looked at trying to set up a SO2R station I doubt it will ever happen. The technical challenge could eventually be overcome, but my main problem is the lack of suff; /archives//html/RTTY/2010-06/msg00208.html (13,551 bytes)
24. Re: [RTTY] Cheating (score: 1): Author: "Bill, W6WRT" <dezrat1242@yahoo.com>; Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:17:32 -0700; Say what? This is the first time I have ever seen SO2R linked with cheating. Personally, I don't think the link is valid, but please Joe, don't bring spurious statements into the discussion. Nowhere; /archives//html/RTTY/2010-06/msg00209.html (10,563 bytes)
25. Re: [RTTY] Cheating (score: 1): Author: "Bill, W6WRT" <dezrat1242@yahoo.com>; Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:22:57 -0700; ORIGINAL MESSAGE: REPLY: Not so. The XE RTTY contest has separate classes for one and two radio operation. Knowing Joe as I do, he will no doubt argue that two radios is somehow different from two tr; /archives//html/RTTY/2010-06/msg00210.html (9,616 bytes)
26. Re: [RTTY] Cheating (score: 1): Author: Kok Chen <chen@mac.com>; Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:24:11 -0700; You are forgetting that the guy with the big antenna can (and will) copy stuff that the small antenna guy will not even know is there. I'll take the big antenna, thank you. 73 Chen, W7AY ____________; /archives//html/RTTY/2010-06/msg00211.html (8,935 bytes)
27. Re: [RTTY] cheating (score: 1): Author: Michael Haack <mikehaack@aim.com>; Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:33:53 -0500; Then Fine, Let him keep the edge, but let him take it up against the skills of other SO2R stations. And let the SO1R take their skills, fairly, against other SO1R stations. If you've got the time, mo; /archives//html/RTTY/2010-06/msg00213.html (9,234 bytes)
28. Re: [RTTY] cheating (score: 1): Author: "Bill, W6WRT" <dezrat1242@yahoo.com>; Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:59:43 -0700; ORIGINAL MESSAGE: REPLY: That is TOOOOO funny, coming from one who never participates in contests himself. :-) :-) :-) Check your logs folks - how many W4TV contest QSOs do you have? I have more than; /archives//html/RTTY/2010-06/msg00216.html (9,206 bytes)
29. Re: [RTTY] cheating (score: 1): Author: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@subich.com>; Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:05:05 -0400; Let's see ... How about, "If you've got the time, money and skill needed to set up multiple towers with multiple stacked arrays, that's fine. But don't expect to be in competition with someone with a; /archives//html/RTTY/2010-06/msg00217.html (12,346 bytes)
30. Re: [RTTY] cheating (score: 1): Author: "Don Hill AA5AU" <aa5au@bellsouth.net>; Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:08:38 -0500; I see this has deteriorated into hostile territory. I should have known better. Next time I'll keep my thoughts to myself, report the offender to the contest manager and post the offender on the Inte; /archives//html/RTTY/2010-06/msg00218.html (9,953 bytes)
31. Re: [RTTY] cheating (score: 1): Author: Michael Haack <mikehaack@aim.com>; Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:24:34 -0500; Thanks for the fun Don, Kinda like starting a riot then going home to watch it on TV eh. I'll stand with Bill, W6WRT on this one, And leave the lobbyists to there own. Cu in the next one, SO1R.... Mi; /archives//html/RTTY/2010-06/msg00219.html (11,073 bytes)
32. Re: [RTTY] cheating (score: 1): Author: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@subich.com>; Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:31:36 -0400; Of course Bill is a notoriously anti-technology and anti-SO2R with nothing useful to add to the discussion. He's practiced "if you don't like the message, attack the messenger" for a long time. Anyon; /archives//html/RTTY/2010-06/msg00220.html (10,464 bytes)
33. Re: [RTTY] cheating (score: 1): Author: Andrei Stchislenok <asnp3d@gmail.com>; Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:08:18 -0400; Bill and all, With due respect what you are saying and NOT justifying W4TV, I checked my Log and found W4TV 8 times confirmed QSL's in LoTW working him CW, SSB and RTTY in 2006 and 2010 from US and H; /archives//html/RTTY/2010-06/msg00222.html (9,936 bytes)
34. Re: [RTTY] Cheating (score: 1): Author: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@subich.com>; Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:11:08 -0400; Yes, there is a big difference between legal SO2R (one signal at a time) and multi-transmitter (multiple signals at a time which is what STARTED this thread). Of course, Bill knows the difference. H; /archives//html/RTTY/2010-06/msg00223.html (10,250 bytes)
35. Re: [RTTY] Cheating (score: 1): Author: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@subich.com>; Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:17:34 -0400; Number of operators is multi-operator - not single operator. SO2R is not an applicable issue in multi-operator classes. Beside that when did operators become "hardware?" As to power, that's not spec; /archives//html/RTTY/2010-06/msg00225.html (11,795 bytes)
36. Re: [RTTY] Cheating (score: 1): Author: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" <w0mu@w0mu.com>; Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:24:07 -0600; I guess we need a category for single radio multiple decoders too? Isn't this a big advantage? Where exactly do you draw the line and how? It takes great skill to be able to do SO2R competitively. Ha; /archives//html/RTTY/2010-06/msg00226.html (9,961 bytes)
37. Re: [RTTY] Cheating (score: 1): Author: "Eric - VE3GSI" <ve3gsi@sympatico.ca>; Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:30:23 -0400; Bill, I found Joe using his current call W4TV in my contest logs and LoTW and I am sure I have him in my logs with him using a previous call, only I forget what his old call was. Personally Bill, I; /archives//html/RTTY/2010-06/msg00227.html (11,390 bytes)
38. Re: [RTTY] Cheating (score: 1): Author: "Eric - VE3GSI" <ve3gsi@sympatico.ca>; Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:37:57 -0400; radio operation. Well Bill, the XE sponsors may have a separate class, they also seem to have a NO certificate department. <grin> Eric... ORIGINAL MESSAGE: REPLY: Not so. The XE RTTY contest has sep; /archives//html/RTTY/2010-06/msg00228.html (10,032 bytes)
39. Re: [RTTY] Cheating (score: 1): Author: "WS7I" <ws7i@ewarg.org>; Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:41:40 -0700; Huh, of course there is a lot of justification or else we wouldn't have Single Operator Low power - High Power, Assisted and non-assisted. Using multiple radios is much different than using one radio; /archives//html/RTTY/2010-06/msg00229.html (8,429 bytes)
40. Re: [RTTY] Cheating (score: 1): Author: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@subich.com>; Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:37:09 -0400; High Power/Low Power is an artifact of the 1950's in an attempt to "level the playing field" but it was never extended to other areas of hardware (like antennas in the 60's and computers in the 70's; /archives//html/RTTY/2010-06/msg00231.html (9,520 bytes)

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