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1. [TowerTalk] S21 to Rp & Cp - Equivalent Circuit (score: 1)
Author: Máximo EA1DDO_HK1H <ea1ddo@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 20:59:43 +0000
Hi all, I know there is a formula to get Rp and Cp from S21 or S11 data (LogMag and Phase, or R & I). Anyone know that formula? It is to use it in Excel and get Rp and Cp from the VNA´s exported data
/archives//html/Towertalk/2018-01/msg00038.html (6,910 bytes)

2. Re: [TowerTalk] S21 to Rp & Cp - Equivalent Circuit (score: 1)
Author: jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 14:01:54 -0800
I know there is a formula to get Rp and Cp from S21 or S11 data (LogMag and Phase, or R & I). Convert S11 from logmag, angle to complex Z = Z0 * ((1+gamma)/(1-gamma)) in Excel gamma = imcomplex(10^(S
/archives//html/Towertalk/2018-01/msg00039.html (8,237 bytes)

3. Re: [TowerTalk] S21 to Rp & Cp - Equivalent Circuit (score: 1)
Author: Máximo EA1DDO_HK1H <ea1ddo@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 17:51:24 +0000
Hi Jim, Great stuff. I´ll try later on. By the way, I´ve found a similar formula but I am not sure if it is same results as yours; http://www.dicks-website.eu/compleximp/enindex.htm#serpar We have th
/archives//html/Towertalk/2018-01/msg00040.html (10,712 bytes)

4. Re: [TowerTalk] S21 to Rp & Cp - Equivalent Circuit (score: 1)
Author: Máximo EA1DDO_HK1H <ea1ddo@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 18:09:41 +0000
Just test them. All are same results. Three different ways to get same results. Thank you again 73, Maximo Hi Jim, Great stuff. I´ll try later on. By the way, I´ve found a similar formula but I am no
/archives//html/Towertalk/2018-01/msg00041.html (11,352 bytes)

5. Re: [TowerTalk] S21 to Rp & Cp - Equivalent Circuit (score: 1)
Author: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 09:53:12 -0800
This, of course, is classic circuit analysis that we learned in our first EE year. If, however, you have a plot of data vs frequency that you can identify as a parallel resonant circuit, there's a re
/archives//html/Towertalk/2018-01/msg00043.html (11,048 bytes)

6. Re: [TowerTalk] S21 to Rp & Cp - Equivalent Circuit (score: 1)
Author: Máximo EA1DDO_HK1H <ea1ddo@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 18:01:37 +0000
Hi Jim, Steve, all, Playing with those formulas I´ve got an inconsistency. To get R and jX from LogMag and Phase I can use two different formulas, one from Steve and one from Jim, but the results are
/archives//html/Towertalk/2018-01/msg00056.html (14,427 bytes)

7. Re: [TowerTalk] S21 to Rp & Cp - Equivalent Circuit (score: 1)
Author: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:18:50 -0800
You're over-Excelling the problem, Maximo. Best to go back to fundamentals. A simple parallel resonant circuit looks like an inductor below resonance and a capacitor above resonance. Go far enough aw
/archives//html/Towertalk/2018-01/msg00057.html (15,615 bytes)

8. Re: [TowerTalk] S21 to Rp & Cp - Equivalent Circuit (score: 1)
Author: Máximo EA1DDO_HK1H <ea1ddo@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 18:31:35 +0000
Jim, the thing is I need to compare two different plots, in same chart. So I am downloading the .s2p files with the data, then in Excel I can do the necessary maths and plot the results. Then present
/archives//html/Towertalk/2018-01/msg00059.html (20,784 bytes)

9. Re: [TowerTalk] S21 to Rp & Cp - Equivalent Circuit (score: 1)
Author: jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:48:05 -0800
Playing with those formulas I´ve got an inconsistency. To get R and jX from LogMag and Phase I can use two different formulas, one from Steve and one from Jim, but the results are not same, so I don´
/archives//html/Towertalk/2018-01/msg00060.html (9,429 bytes)

10. Re: [TowerTalk] S21 to Rp & Cp - Equivalent Circuit (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 10:25:46 +0000
Maximo, My formula derives the series equivalent Resistance (Rs) and Reactance (Xs) of the choke from Mag(S21) and Phase(S21). If you want to check it, place a 4k7 resistor directly between Port A an
/archives//html/Towertalk/2018-01/msg00071.html (15,107 bytes)

11. Re: [TowerTalk] S21 to Rp & Cp - Equivalent Circuit (score: 1)
Author: jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 05:38:39 -0800
Playing with those formulas I´ve got an inconsistency. To get R and jX from LogMag and Phase I can use two different formulas, one from Steve and one from Jim, but the results are not same, so I don´
/archives//html/Towertalk/2018-01/msg00072.html (11,422 bytes)

12. Re: [TowerTalk] S21 to Rp & Cp - Equivalent Circuit (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:47:16 +0000
I thought Maximo was trying to derive R and X from S21 measurements, not S11 measurements - at least that's what his Subject line suggests. Steve G3TXQ working in Octave (free version of Matlab), whi
/archives//html/Towertalk/2018-01/msg00073.html (10,619 bytes)

13. Re: [TowerTalk] S21 to Rp & Cp - Equivalent Circuit (score: 1)
Author: jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 06:24:43 -0800
Steve G3TXQ I'd have to go back and look - maybe that's the hiccup I'm still curious about the Excel/Octave variance though. working in Octave (free version of Matlab), which is a bit easier than Exc
/archives//html/Towertalk/2018-01/msg00074.html (11,946 bytes)

14. Re: [TowerTalk] S21 to Rp & Cp - Equivalent Circuit (score: 1)
Author: Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws@triconet.org>
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 07:29:47 -0700
In his text he said both. Steve G3TXQ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ TowerTalk mailing list TowerTalk@contesting.com http://lists.cont
/archives//html/Towertalk/2018-01/msg00075.html (9,651 bytes)

15. Re: [TowerTalk] S21 to Rp & Cp - Equivalent Circuit (score: 1)
Author: Máximo EA1DDO_HK1H <ea1ddo@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:50:45 +0000
Is a different formula to convert LogMag(dB) & Phase from S11 than from S21? I thought Maximo was trying to derive R and X from S21 measurements, not S11 measurements - at least that's what his Subje
/archives//html/Towertalk/2018-01/msg00077.html (12,671 bytes)

16. Re: [TowerTalk] S21 to Rp & Cp - Equivalent Circuit (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:57:47 +0000
Yes!!!! - S11 Magnitude and Phase are quite different from S21 Magnitude and Phase. If you are interested, here's how I derive the choke's complex impedance from S21 Magnitude and Phase: http://www.k
/archives//html/Towertalk/2018-01/msg00078.html (10,401 bytes)

17. Re: [TowerTalk] S21 to Rp & Cp - Equivalent Circuit (score: 1)
Author: jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 08:13:06 -0800
Is a different formula to convert LogMag(dB) & Phase from S11 than from S21? No, it's the same. But calculating Z from S11 (a one port measurement) is different than calculating it from S21 (a two po
/archives//html/Towertalk/2018-01/msg00079.html (17,175 bytes)

18. Re: [TowerTalk] S21 to Rp & Cp - Equivalent Circuit (score: 1)
Author: jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 08:16:58 -0800
If you are interested, here's how I derive the choke's complex impedance from S21 Magnitude and Phase: http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/chokes/s21.pdf The conversion of Mag/Phase to complex values is the
/archives//html/Towertalk/2018-01/msg00080.html (10,893 bytes)

19. Re: [TowerTalk] S21 to Rp & Cp - Equivalent Circuit (score: 1)
Author: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 12:29:13 -0800
Going back to Maximo's original question (more than a week ago, I think) he was using an Anritsu instrument to measure the choke, and the available options for displaying data do not include the abil
/archives//html/Towertalk/2018-01/msg00082.html (11,163 bytes)

20. Re: [TowerTalk] S21 to Rp & Cp - Equivalent Circuit (score: 1)
Author: Máximo EA1DDO_HK1H <ea1ddo@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 20:36:49 +0000
Hi Jim, I agree, the VWNA is at this time best VNA option up to 1 Ghz for bench use (with computer). The reason I don´t have a VWNA is because I need a VNA to use it in the field as well, with no com
/archives//html/Towertalk/2018-01/msg00083.html (12,402 bytes)


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