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Re: [Amps] 4CX250B and data sheets in general.

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Subject: Re: [Amps] 4CX250B and data sheets in general.
From: Xmitters@aol.com
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:16:02 EDT
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In a message dated 4/4/06 8:01:09 AM Central Daylight Time, 
amps-request@contesting.com writes:

<< But then we have the Eimac data sheet for the 4CX250R, which includes a 
 set of operating conditions to squeeze 400W PEP out of a single tube. 
 Not surprisingly, the 3rd-order IMD then increases to only -23dB 
 "referred to signal level" (which I take to mean "below PEP"; if so, it 
 equates to only 17dB below either tone). In other words, Eimac were 
 recommending operating conditions that produce totally unacceptable 
 levels of IMD.
 
 This data sheet has had several bad consequences:
 
 1. It led many users to be too greedy for output from 4CX250Rs.
 
 2. It gave some users to claim that -23dB 3rd-order is OK "because Eimac 
 recommend it".
 
 3. It gave the entire 4CX250 range a bad reputation for "-20dB IMD".
  >>

Do not blame the data sheet for a poor design. Data sheets are as much of a 
sales tool as they are an engineering tool. As such, the tube tabular 
parameters for a given class of service are given to put the tube in the best 
competitive light possible. So unless the data sheet gives you specific 
performance 
specs for the given set of tabular parameters, don't be surprised if your 
measured performance is not what you expected. the only way you could blame the 
tube 
manufacturer or the data sheet is if the sheet said some thing like:  Use the 
following operating parameters to secure 30 db of IMD. You used those 
parameters and got 20 db. OK, you have a case.

Eimac and other tube manufacturers build their tubes for a variety of 
applications with a variety of probable performance requirements. Deriving a 
set of 
tabular operating parameters that are all encompassing would be impossible. 
Having had the experience of manually deriving the given tabular parameters 
using 
the Eimac Tube Performance Computer for about 300 sets of parameters, 
generally speaking the distortion can be all over the place. Generally, one set 
of 
parameters will show the tube running right up to its dissipation ratings. The 
other set will be for the tube running near its maximum rated plate current. I 
think you get the picture.

Recently I derived the parameters for class B modulator service for about 50 
different tubes, then compared that data to parameter derivations done for 
broadcast transmitters (with the help of their typical meter readings table) 
using the same tubes. The conclusion was that the manufacturer's suggested 
parameters, with one or two exceptions, gave parameters resulting in more 
distortion 
than the set of parameters derived by the transmitter manufacturer. I've also 
done class B linear amplifier analyses and found similar issues.

So if you are used to using tabular data in your design, it is vitally 
important that you completely understand the assumptions that were made when 
the 
given parameters were derived. Lacking that information, you are faced with 
either getting out the strait edge and the tube performance computer and doing 
some 
calculations, or doing some lab work in determining a useable set of 
parameters. Don't blame the data sheets for poor performance unless the 
performance 
figure is specifically stated on the data sheet, and the given parameters fail 
to produce that performance. With the number of calculations I've done, errors 
on data sheets are not unheard of either. Otherwise, you need to plot and 
analyze your own Operating Line on the CC curves

As a general rule, the tabular parameters are reliable only as a starting 
point and/or for comparison purposes for a more exacting design.

Jeff Glass, BSEE CSRE
Chief engineer WNIU WNIJ
Northern Illinois University
WB9ETG since 1970
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