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Re: [Amps] HV transformer issue

To: n3db@radix.net, amps@contesting.com, km1h@jeremy.mv.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] HV transformer issue
From: TexasRF@aol.com
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 20:24:44 EDT
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Are these through bolts supposed to be insulated?
 
73/gw
 
 
In a message dated 5/3/2008 7:20:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
n3db@radix.net writes:

Hello all,

I am seeking input on a potential  problem with my "almost new" B+ 
transformer.  It is a 240V input, output  4 taps from 2800-3000V rated 2 amp 
full load.  
Transformer was tested in  situ today, first stand-alone.  Has a slight hum 
but not significant, and  as mounted no detectable vibration on the 
laminations.  AC output tested  fine on all taps.  Second test was with full 
wave bridge 
feeding a 12 x  800MF (series) homebrew cap bank attached- expected DC Voltage 
measured fine  on the cap bank.  3rd test was with 100k ohm 250w R across the 
cap bank  from B+ to B-, ~100 volt drop.  
Now the  "problem":  The transformer is a typical E I Core (roughly 9"x7"x7") 
with  primary taps on one side fed to binding strip & secondary on the other  
side to an EU style strip opposite the mains. Core is held together with 4  
pieces of allthread, nuts on each side, around 1/4" in diameter.   Transformer 
is not potted.  With mains fed to the transformer & even  with cap bank 
removed from the secondary side, the 4 allthread "bolts" get  hot. Not a 
"little 
hot" but "blister your finger hot" with just a minute or 2  of mains voltage 
applied.  I understand this was new when I bought it-  that said, I can smell 
some 
heating varnish, apparently from the bolts.   The laminations themselves stay 
completely cool, but granted it is so massive  (84lbs) that it would take a 
good long while for it to heat up. I am not sure  but the allthread appears to 
be standard steel.  I have never run into  this strange effect before- this 
can't be normal, can it?  I am guessing  this is hysteresis, magnet
ostriction and heavy eddy currents in the bolts-  does this sound plausible?  
What is going on here? 
Because they are getting so hot after just a short time under power I am  
concerned about using the transformer in the amp (GS35b 50 MHz in  mid-build).  
It has been suggested that I pull one of the allthreads and  check for hotspots 
on it, which I plan to try.  If they are steel would  it pay to replace them 
with non-magnetic stainless bolts & get rid of the  allthread completely?  
Also, in its current configuration I cannot tell  whether the bolts are 
actually 
a proper fit for the holes in the E I plates-  it appears that it may be 
slightly undersized, and of course they are threaded  the whole way, ans 
therefore 
may not be effectively transferring heat to the  laminations. 
Any input would be most  appreciated.

73 Dave  N3DB
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