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To: herzog@frontiernet.net, amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] gg
From: TexasRF@aol.com
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:51:58 EDT
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Herzog, Bill and all,
 
It is a good thing that the input power and output power are in phase else  
the input power would subtract from the output power instead of adding.
 
I was reading in my Orr's Handbook today and couldn't find anything about  
input and output being out of phase in any type amplifier.
 
What he did write was that the instantaneous peak positive grid voltage  
coincides with the peak plate current and that the instantaneous plate voltage 
 is at minimum at the same time because of the voltage drop across the 
plate load  impedance. The statement applies to grounded grid or cathode  
configurations.
 
I suspect the confusion is related to the negative feedback inherent in a  
grounded grid design and that feedback is out of phase with the input  
signal.
 
It all makes sense when you think about it.
 
Back to the books.
 
73,
Gerald K5GW
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 3/28/2010 7:03:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
herzog@frontiernet.net writes:


Another way of looking at it that doesn't require definitions of in  or 
out of phase, and relative to what is the usually accepted fact that  the 
input power ADDS to the final's  power.
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RE:  > Do it grid driven and  GG and then tell me the relationships.

> >Geez, why we have to  discuss basics here is beyond me.

REPLY:

Grounded grid: Cathode  goes negative, plate goes negative. In phase.

Grounded cathode: Grid  goes negative, plate goes positive. Out of
phase.

Sometimes even  well-educated people misunderstand the basics, and
that's why it needs to  be discussed. A passing grade in school should
be 100%, but alas, it  isn't.

73, Bill W6WRT
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Another way of  looking at it that doesn't require definitions of in or 
out of phase, and  relative to what is the usually accepted fact that the 
input power ADDS to  the final's power.
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