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Re: [Amps] instability issue

To: Carl <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] instability issue
From: N1BUG <paul@n1bug.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:23:53 -0400
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Yes and maybe, Carl. I had been using the amp for some time on 12M without problems. But I recently moved my 12M antenna to a different location where it is unfortunately interacting with something else, producing a higher than normal SWR. The amp loads into it OK, but requires somewhat more loading capacitance than before. It turns out the amp is not stable on 12M with the load cap set where it needs to be for this antenna configuration. It is stable if I return the load cap to where it had been with the previous antenna configuration.

I think it likely this problem has been there all along, but was never noticed because I was operating outside the range of parameters that make it take off.

The bias is fed through a 150 ohm 2W carbon comp resistor with a .001 uF feedthrough (perhaps not enough for effective LF bypassing) on the cold end. I try never to use a choke on the grid.

73,
Paul


On 03/27/2013 11:18 AM, Carl wrote:
Did it ever work well on 12M? If not or not tested Id also suspect the plate
choke and hope the big Ameritron fits.

As far as the LF oscillation I hope the bias is not fed thru a RFC as these
tend to turn the tube into a TNT ocillator. I also suspect the antenna choke
is open as that would likely be self resonant down there.

Carl
KM1H



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From: "N1BUG" <paul@n1bug.com>
To: <n8de@thepoint.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Amps] instability issue


Wow! Further to this... my frequency counter seems to believe the
oscillation is occurring at ~400 to ~450 kHz! The frequency does shift
substantially as I adjust the load cap, and to a much lesser degree as I
adjust the plate tune cap. The band switch seems to have very little
influence, though I cannot say it is zero.

73,
Paul


On 03/27/2013 07:18 AM, n8de@thepoint.net wrote:
Sounds like a resonance in the RF Choke.

Have you checked for that?

Do you have a frequency counter to detect the oscillating frequency?


73
Don
N8DE



Quoting N1BUG <paul@n1bug.com>:

I'm trying to understand a problem with one of my amps. It is homebrew,
160-10 meters, using a 4CX1500B with screen grounded, grid RF grounded,
cathode drive. It uses a conventional tapped coil pi network with
vacuum variable capacitors.

The amp was going into oscillation when using it on 12 meters
(frequency of oscillation unknown, but not in-band). When it did this
it was also destroying the vacuum relay on the output. The relay would
fail with contacts stuck in the NO position (contact connected to amp
output).

While investigating I discovered the amp will always go into
oscillation as soon as operating bias is applied IF there is no load on
the output AND the LOAD capacitor is set to anything MORE than about
700 pF. Oscillation will stop if the load cap is reduced to something
under 700 pf. This happens regardless of band switch position or plate
tune setting.

On most bands the amp does not break into oscillation during normal
operation. That was only happening on 12 meters for reasons not
understood by me. I managed to get it to stop doing that by adjusting
the coil tap so that more output capacitance is needed. (That coil tap
needed to be optimized anyway, as it was never in the ideal spot)

Clearly this amp is not as stable as it should be. I am trying to
understand what is going on here. I am having trouble grasping why the
load cap seems to be the critical parameter, with coil tap and tune cap
having essentially no influence. Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Paul

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