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Re: [Amps] Time for New Power Meter

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Subject: Re: [Amps] Time for New Power Meter
From: "Roger (K8RI)" <k8ri@rogerhalstead.com>
Date: Sat, 02 May 2015 21:39:04 -0400
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Although the Bird is recognized as the standard, even the gold standard, it is a very poor standard with the stock calibration being 5% of full scale. (I have 2) That is only if the slug hasn't been dropped or abused. You can have a slug, or slugs calibrated at specific power levels and frequencies with a specific sample line to +/- 3%.

Yes that 5% is only 0.2 db, but on a stock slug at half scale is much more than 0,2 db. For rough measurements and up on-the-tower they are handy as well as staying legal. As SWR is a measurement between two powers they are fine for that although if you use two different slugs one may be +5 % and the other - 5% giving a 10% error at full scale although the extremes are unlikely

The nearest slug I can find to the legal limit is 2500 Watts. 5% is 125 watts, 125 watts is a bit over 8% (8.333%...)+/- 125 Watts, or 1500-125=1375 to 1500+125= 1625

A calorimeter is an "accurate" way of measuring power and thus calibrating a meter at specific power levels and frequencies, but not convenient. HOWEVER you can't just use a calorimeter and say the result is traceable to NBS. That requires sending the calorimeter in to a qualified lab, to be calibrated periodically. At that point your measurements are second generation to NBS but kinda pricey for hams.

OTOH those slugs are very expensive if you want to cover exciters and amps from 160 through 440, or higher.

NORMALLY as the old saying goes, the Bird is "Good enough for who it's for!", but for efficiency measurements its limitations need to be taken into account. I consider the Bird "good enough" for measuring power loss in coax runs, SWR, and power out if not interested in absolutes, but although the FCC and others may consider it a standard, I do not. That may be due to my background. I base that on doing a wide range of measurements traceable to the NBS in industry over roughly 23 years. OTOH the equipment I used would be considered almost antique today as I quit in 87.

73

Roger (K8RI)


On 5/2/2015 6:44 AM, Jim Thomson wrote:
Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 11:16:58 -0400
From: Gerald Williamson via Amps <amps@contesting.com>
To: drkirkby@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk, k7fm@teleport.com
Cc: amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] Time for New Power Meter

Hi All, I also use a Bird 43 as a gold standard. Why? Because I have it
already. A 5% error amounts to about .2 dB which is close enough for my
amateur  needs.
The capability of easily changing connectors is a plus not available on
most if not all of the other meters.
Maybe we should call the 43 a "Brown Standard"? 73,
Gerald K5GW

##  What freq does bird /cd  calibrate their  slugs on ??  talking abt the typ 
2-30 mhz slug.
On a side note, IF a CD pep board is installed, or the model 83000 is used, the 
accuracy is
+/- 7%.....when switched to pep mode.  When a bird  pep board is installed on a 
bird 43, the
accuracy is now +./- 8%...when switched to pep mode.   Both are +/- 5% in 
average mode.

##  The problem with the bird  /cd meters /slugs is... they are +/-  5/7/8 %  
of full scale...any where on the scale.
IE: 5% of a 1 kw slug = 50 watts.   So if meter reads 800 watts....the true pwr 
could be  750w...and meter
is reading 50 watts high.    Or true pwr could be 850 watts..and meter is 
reading 50 watts low.

##  If meter reads 100 watts.... true power could be as little as 50 
watts......or as high as 150w.  In this
last case, the error could vary from  50-100%  outa whack. Bottom line is..u 
gotta use the smallest slug
for the job.

##  with a 5 kw slug, my L4B  reads 700w.    ( low power mode, 1900v).   With a 
2.5 kw slug, it then reads 650w.
With a 1 kw slug, it no reads 625 watts..which is very close to dead on.
Dunno if a bird slug is most accurate on the freq its calibrated for..vs  
extremes in freq.   IE:  IF they calibrate it
at say 16 mhz..... what is accuracy at 2 mhz + also 30 mhz.

##  IMO, the array solutions power master blows both the bird /cd slugs away..hands 
down.   If u don’t like their
NIST calibration, u are free to re-calibrate it urself.... since the 
calibration can be changed in 1% increments....
and with a +/- 15% range.   +/- 15%...in 1% increments is as good as is gets.   
 The calibration points are printed on each
individual coupler..for both frwd and rvs power...for  both HF...and again for 
6m.   160-6m  on one coupler is pretty good.
Then they have couplers for 144/220/432 etc.

##  with no high swr alarm etc, etc, the bird doesnt cut it anymore.   Bird 
doesn’t sell wattmeters...they sell slugs.
The only advantage the bird /cd has..is it reads average power if u want to.   
the array solutions will only read pep.
U cant see the effects of increased average power when using processor on ssb 
mode.
Flip side is..the pep bargraph on the array solutions wattmeter is so 
sensitive, it will easily show..dithering
when 3 % ripple is present on a B+  supply..which is typ when 8  series 200 ufs 
cap are used.   Any RF scope
will also show that effect.

##  the only connectors I use are  SO-239  and also 7-16 DIN.  I don’t use Type 
N.... but can easily add an inter series
adaptor if needed.  My  3 kw coupler get the so-239....and my  10 kw coupler 
gets the 7-16 din.

Jim  VE7RF

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