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Re: [Amps] Alpha 91b anomaly

To: gudguyham <gudguyham@aol.com>, Amps Group <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 91b anomaly
From: Charlie Young <weeksmgr@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 12:39:32 +0000
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Hello Lou

Your post reminded me of an issue with a friend’s 91b.  Gosh it is has been 10 
years ago now.  It may be common for those who do amp repairs as a business to 
find this but it was a first for me.

The amp HV section would work fine but only if you unplugged the transformer 
connector on the LV transformer windings.   If you unplugged the HV secondary 
connector, all the LV circuits worked fine.  All the voltages are supplied by a 
common transformer.   The transformer had an internal fault between the HV 
winding and the filament winding.   Only if you had both winding connected to 
the amp did the problem (HV short) manifest.

I called Alpha and ordered a transformer, which fortunately they had.   The 
individual at Alpha did not believe the transformer was bad, so it must not be 
a common failure.  They expected I would be returning it.   Well, the 
transformer was bad.  I still have the defective one.

These are nice amps and the repaired one is still going strong with original 
tubes (WD8CCC).

73 Charlie N8RR

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From: gudguyham via Amps<mailto:amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 7:34 AM
To: Amps Group<mailto:amps@contesting.com>
Subject: [Amps] Alpha 91b anomaly

Hey guys, hope everyone is staying safe these days.  We’ll just as you thought 
you’ve seen it all something weird comes along.  I’m working on a 91b that 
belongs to an ARRL director.  He bought it recently from a ham that was 
liquidating an estate of an SK.  The seller doesn’t know anything about the 
history of the amp and the guy that does is SK so I guess it ends there.  Well 
anyway the amp comes to me with the problem “ it won’t turn on”.  I won’t bore 
you with the step by step troubleshooting process but if you look at the 
schematic, the start up process is a major series of logic circuits to get the 
damn thing to turn on.  I fully checked it all out and suddenly I discovered a 
couple wires going off the schematic diagram and over to another diagram of the 
screen board.  When I followed those wires on the schematic I see a closed loop 
going through the contacts on K1 on the screen board.  If connects via J4.  I 
pulled the connector off J4 and I looked on pins 1 and 2 for a 15 ohm reading 
which would confirm a closed loop through K1 common and NC contacts.  This loop 
completes the logic circuit that latches the contractor relay.  K1 energizes in 
a major Plate current fault and opens the contractor and kicks the amp off 
line.  As you’ll notice on the schematic the K1 loop is closed when the amp is 
de-energized and only opens in a fault.  Well when I tested for 15 ohms on pins 
1 and 2 I read open.  Well ah ha that explains why the amp won’t turn on.  It 
wasn’t hard to figure there’s something open in that loop.  There’s only a 15 
ohm resistor and a set of relay contacts.  What I discovered is nothing short 
of incredible.  The 15 ohm resistor was not open and the relay contacts were 
not welded closed.  The problem is that the 15 ohm resistor which is traced 
over to the NC contact of the relay on the schematic is actually traced over to 
the NO contact.  Subsequently the loop is open and not closed with the relay 
not energized.  I ohmed out the relay contacts and sure enough the relay is 
fine and it ohms out according to the cut sheet.  I checked the part number on 
the relay with the parts list and it agrees.  The trace on the PC board 
connects to the wrong terminal on the relay.  You can see through the relay 
cover and tell that the contacts are not welded.  The schematic agrees with the 
relay logic, but the PC board simply had the trace misplaced.   That said, this 
amp could have never worked as is.  What’s going on here?  Anybody?


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