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Re: [CQ-Contest] UPDATE: CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] UPDATE: CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast
From: Ray Mikula <rmikula@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 11:06:24 -0600
List-post: <mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
I’m the original poster of this question and since there has been so much 
response I thought I would post more details and what I’ve learned so far.

To summarize my prior posting.  I live in the Chicago area and my fellow ham 
friend lives in the Richmond VA area.  We both worked CQ WW DX SSB contest.  
Our skill levels are similar, we both ran about 1KW, we both exclusively did 
S&P, both spent a similar amount of time on the air (maybe 15 hours).  We both 
have tri band beams on the top of our house although his maybe 10 feet further 
up.

We ended up with almost identical scores around 230,000 however, I has more 
contacts and he did hugely better with the multipliers.  I was surprised 
because I was focused very heavily on multipliers.

I used N1MM and VE7CC as my cluster.  Friday night I worked 40m.  Saturday mid 
morning I started on 15m, switched to 10m the 20m and then bounced between the 
3 bands.  I was very reliant on spots which probably accounted for 90% of my 
qsos.  I had, what for me was a very good rate.  My technique was to sort 
multipliers by beam heading.  Pick mults off and then rotate the beam a bit.

I spoke with my friend and he was heavily focused on working his way up and 
down the band.  I would guess that 80% of his contacts were based from going up 
and down the band and maybe 15% were based on spots.  He did not keep track of 
multipliers other than 2 or 3 that were considered difficult.

The end result is as follows;  

For me in Chicago area:
40m   66 qso  17 zones 37 cty
20m  103 qso  24 zones 50 cty
15m 133  qso  22 zones  61 cty
10m   49  qso   11 zones 21 cty

For friend in Richmond VA;
40m  32 qso  31 zones  32 cty
20m  29 qso  27 zones  29 cty
15m  73 qso  73 zones  73 cty
10m  63 qso  61 zones  63 cty

What jumps out for me is the difference in number of more zones worked from 
Richmond VA especially on 10m and 15m.  3X more on 15 meters and 5X more on 10 
meters.  And I (Chicago) was focused on multipliers.

The difference on 40m is partially due to antenna as I run an OCF dipole and he 
has a rotating dipole.

So, what I’ve been trying to sort out is why the big difference in multipliers. 
 What part is due to propagation, what part might be due to various multipliers 
not getting spotted and what is due to my strategy of focusing on spots.

Thanks to all that have replied either directly or via the forum.  Lots of good 
insights!

Thanks and good contesting!

73,
Ray
W9NZ



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   1. Re: Workiing Split in Contests (Richard F DiDonna NN3W)
   2. "Is there a way a station could enter a "Block All Spots of
      Me" to the skimmer network?" (ko7ss@yahoo.com)
   3. RE?:  {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast
      (outlook_5B91DD2A0B96EAEA@outlook.com)
   4. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast
      (dimitri cosson)
   5. Re: Workiing Split in Contests (Jim Brown)
   6. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast (Steve London)
   7. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast
      (dimitri cosson)
   8. NS RTTY this Thursday, 11 Nov in NA  DON'T FORGET THE TIME
      CHANGE! (Ken K6MR)
   9. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast (Weisz L?szl?)
  10. Interest in CQWW - analysis (Mark - N5OT)
  11. Re: "Is there a way a station could enter a "Block All Spots
      of Me" to the skimmer network?" (ktfrog007@aol.com)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 08:31:19 -0500
From: Richard F DiDonna NN3W <richnn3w@gmail.com>
To: jpescatore@aol.com
Cc: "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Workiing Split in Contests
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Split is still done on 40 meters and 80 meters owing to the mismatch in
frequency allocations between R2 and R1/R3.  Split was done a -little- at
the bottom of cycles 23 and 24 on 20 meters but that was met with some
pretty strong objections by those claiming that it took up two frequencies
(especially in CQWW).

73 Rich NN3W

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 7:27 AM K3TN via CQ-Contest <
cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:

> I don't think working split will work well in any major contest.
> Almost inevitably, someone will start CQing on the listening frequency (or
> someone already was listening on that chosen listening frequency.)  He will
> hear the other stations calling, think they are calling him, call them and
> act as QRM on your listening freq. If he is loud enough, he will get
> spotted, start working stations that come to the freq and you will start
> hearing stations calling him, but think they are calling you!
> This is what pretty much seems to happen just about any time a DXpedition
> goes split during a major contest where the bands are crowded. Might work
> in QSO parties for mobiles - when mobiles hit new counties, the pileups are
> short but awesome!
> VY0ERC did a great job of working the pileup at his speed and most of the
> NT stations over the years have evolved strategies for just QSYing when the
> pileup gets out of control.
> The worst part of those pileups are the stations calling who couldn't hear
> the target on a clear frequency. Is there a way a station could enter a
> "Block All Spots of Me" to the skimmer network?
> 73 John K3TN
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 14:19:26 +0000 (UTC)
From: "ko7ss@yahoo.com" <ko7ss@yahoo.com>
To: Reflector Cq-contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] "Is there a way a station could enter a "Block
        All Spots of Me" to the skimmer network?"
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This option doesn't exist for the RBN as a whole, but at the individual skimmer 
level it
is easy. One of the user defined parameters is "Blocked Calls" to prevent a 
skimmer
from self spotting the owner in a contest.

One older boy and his radio sent me an E-mail a few years ago asking to not be
spotted on my skimmers and I set it up for him.

Anyone else? I can send the list to the RBN ops group if desired....

73, Bill KO7SS



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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 18:17:14 +0100
From: "outlook_5B91DD2A0B96EAEA@outlook.com"
        <dimitri.cosson@gmail.com>
To: AB1J via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Cc: Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] RE?:  {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East
        Coast
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 19:41:17 +0100
From: dimitri cosson <dimitri.cosson@gmail.com>
To: Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com>
Cc: john@kk9a.com,AB1J via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East
        Coast
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Hi Barry,


Barry, W2UP wrote :
<<<You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the opening
to Europe.? That's where QSO points come from, because there's virtually an
endless supply of Europeans to work.
Start with the high bands.? Sunset in Europe is a constant for US ops.
[...]
Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is making 3
QSOs/minute with EU.? Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band is
just opening in Phila.? And so on.? And of course, the opening is also
stronger and deeper for the shorter paths.? The EU high band opening closes
at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.>>>


You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real world...
Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports and form 
where it comes from :

OE9GHV OH8FKK?? 7043.0? RTTY CQ 19 dB? 45 bps 1706z? 09 Nov
WZ7I??????? TM3Z????? 21086.5? RTTY CQ?? 10 dB? 45 bps 1659z? 09 Nov
WE9V????? TM3Z????? 21086.4? RTTY CQ? 20 dB? 45 bps 1658z? 09 Nov
KO7SS??? TM3Z????? 21086.5. RTTY CQ ? 25 dB? 45 bps 1658z? 09 Nov
W6YX.?? TM3Z????? 21086.5? RTTY CQ? 20 dB 45 bps 1658z? 09 Nov
K1TTT.?? TM3Z????? 14099.1? RTTY CQ? 22 dB 45 bps 1657z? 09 Nov

17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by K1TTT in 
MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.
Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's meadow

73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z




Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 04:13, ? 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> a ?crit:
>You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the
>opening
>to Europe.  That's where QSO points come from, because there's
>virtually an
>endless supply of Europeans to work.
>Start with the high bands.  Sunset in Europe is a constant for US ops.
>However sunRISE is the key.  Here are some examples of sunrise times
>for
>Nov 25:
>Jonesport, ME 1140Z
>Philadelphia, PA 1157Z
>Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)
>Chicago, IL 1252Z
>
>Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is making 3
>QSOs/minute with EU.  Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band is
>just opening in Phila.  And so on.  And of course, the opening is also
>stronger and deeper for the shorter paths.  The EU high band opening
>closes
>at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.
>
>Then there are the low bands.  Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, so
>40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same time
>as
>the sun rises across EU.
>
>Barry W2UP
>
>
>
>On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 6:25 PM <john@kk9a.com> wrote:
>
>> I have operated many DX contests from Illinois and I there is a huge
>> difference between east coast and midwest propagation. Beside the
>mileage
>> difference east coast stations have their first skip over the
>Atlantic
>> ocean
>> which I believe offers some enhancement. We referred to the Midwest
>as the
>> black hole for a reason. W9JA moved from Wisconsin to Virginia and
>then
>> incredibly Paul started winning contests. You're lucky to be in New
>> Brunswick, it may be the ideal location for the ARRL DX contest.
>>
>> John KK9A
>>
>>
>> Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
>>
>> He's only 618 miles SE of you and as the crow flies to EU (great
>circle
>> path)
>> he might only have you by 100-200 miles (roughly)
>> to the Center of EU (and there's more to CQWW than just EU) so it's
>> probably
>> just that he's the better/quicker op.  Nothing more.
>>
>> I don't think there is very much of any of this "East Coast/Midwest"
>stuff
>> going on here at all.
>>
>>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 11:40:10 -0800
From: Jim Brown <k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Workiing Split in Contests
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On 11/9/2021 5:31 AM, Richard F DiDonna NN3W wrote:
> Split is still done on 40 meters and 80 meters owing to the mismatch in
> frequency allocations between R2 and R1/R3.

Yes, very good operating practice. What I object to is split on CW, 
where there are no such allocation issues.

73, Jim K9YC


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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 12:41:51 -0700
From: Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com>
To: dimitri cosson <dimitri.cosson@gmail.com>
Cc: Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com>, john@kk9a.com,      AB1J via
        CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East
        Coast
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1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.

Dim, you are welcome to guest operate from my QTH in New Mexico in any DX
contest. I have an excellent, hilltop QTH with monoband yagis on 10-40, a
rotatable dipole at 110' on 80 (with an effective height of 300' towards
Europe), and an elevated vertical on 160. I think you would find the
experience to be humbling.

73,
Steve, N2IC


> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real world...
> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports and
> form where it comes from :
>
> OE9GHV OH8FKK   7043.0  RTTY CQ 19 dB  45 bps 1706z  09 Nov
> WZ7I        TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ   10 dB  45 bps 1659z  09 Nov
> WE9V      TM3Z      21086.4  RTTY CQ  20 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
> KO7SS    TM3Z      21086.5. RTTY CQ   25 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
> W6YX.   TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ  20 dB 45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
> K1TTT.   TM3Z      14099.1  RTTY CQ  22 dB 45 bps 1657z  09 Nov
>
> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by
> K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.
> Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's
> meadow
>
> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z
>
>
>
>
> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 04:13, ? 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> a ?crit:
> >You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the
> >opening
> >to Europe.  That's where QSO points come from, because there's
> >virtually an
> >endless supply of Europeans to work.
> >Start with the high bands.  Sunset in Europe is a constant for US ops.
> >However sunRISE is the key.  Here are some examples of sunrise times
> >for
> >Nov 25:
> >Jonesport, ME 1140Z
> >Philadelphia, PA 1157Z
> >Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)
> >Chicago, IL 1252Z
> >
> >Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is making 3
> >QSOs/minute with EU.  Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band is
> >just opening in Phila.  And so on.  And of course, the opening is also
> >stronger and deeper for the shorter paths.  The EU high band opening
> >closes
> >at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.
> >
> >Then there are the low bands.  Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, so
> >40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same time
> >as
> >the sun rises across EU.
> >
> >Barry W2UP
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 6:25 PM <john@kk9a.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I have operated many DX contests from Illinois and I there is a huge
> >> difference between east coast and midwest propagation. Beside the
> >mileage
> >> difference east coast stations have their first skip over the
> >Atlantic
> >> ocean
> >> which I believe offers some enhancement. We referred to the Midwest
> >as the
> >> black hole for a reason. W9JA moved from Wisconsin to Virginia and
> >then
> >> incredibly Paul started winning contests. You're lucky to be in New
> >> Brunswick, it may be the ideal location for the ARRL DX contest.
> >>
> >> John KK9A
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
> >>
> >> He's only 618 miles SE of you and as the crow flies to EU (great
> >circle
> >> path)
> >> he might only have you by 100-200 miles (roughly)
> >> to the Center of EU (and there's more to CQWW than just EU) so it's
> >> probably
> >> just that he's the better/quicker op.  Nothing more.
> >>
> >> I don't think there is very much of any of this "East Coast/Midwest"
> >stuff
> >> going on here at all.
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> CQ-Contest mailing list
> >> CQ-Contest@contesting.com
> >> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
> >>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 21:18:43 +0100
From: dimitri cosson <dimitri.cosson@gmail.com>
To: Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com>
Cc: Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com>,john@kk9a.com,       AB1J via CQ-Contest
        <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East
        Coast
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Steve,

<<<
1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>>>

1) Because the K1TTT's skimmer was listening 40 to 12m. Have a look on? 
reversebeacon.net and read the list of skimmers online (and on what bands)...
2) Read again the full Barry's e.mail

73 de Dimitri F4DSK

Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 20:42, ? 20:42, Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com> a ?crit:
>1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
>2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>
>Dim, you are welcome to guest operate from my QTH in New Mexico in any
>DX
>contest. I have an excellent, hilltop QTH with monoband yagis on 10-40,
>a
>rotatable dipole at 110' on 80 (with an effective height of 300'
>towards
>Europe), and an elevated vertical on 160. I think you would find the
>experience to be humbling.
>
>73,
>Steve, N2IC
>
>
>> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real world...
>> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports
>and
>> form where it comes from :
>>
>> OE9GHV OH8FKK   7043.0  RTTY CQ 19 dB  45 bps 1706z  09 Nov
>> WZ7I        TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ   10 dB  45 bps 1659z  09 Nov
>> WE9V      TM3Z      21086.4  RTTY CQ  20 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>> KO7SS    TM3Z      21086.5. RTTY CQ   25 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>> W6YX.   TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ  20 dB 45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>> K1TTT.   TM3Z      14099.1  RTTY CQ  22 dB 45 bps 1657z  09 Nov
>>
>> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by
>> K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.
>> Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's
>> meadow
>>
>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 04:13, ? 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> a
>?crit:
>> >You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the
>> >opening
>> >to Europe.  That's where QSO points come from, because there's
>> >virtually an
>> >endless supply of Europeans to work.
>> >Start with the high bands.  Sunset in Europe is a constant for US
>ops.
>> >However sunRISE is the key.  Here are some examples of sunrise times
>> >for
>> >Nov 25:
>> >Jonesport, ME 1140Z
>> >Philadelphia, PA 1157Z
>> >Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)
>> >Chicago, IL 1252Z
>> >
>> >Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is
>making 3
>> >QSOs/minute with EU.  Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band
>is
>> >just opening in Phila.  And so on.  And of course, the opening is
>also
>> >stronger and deeper for the shorter paths.  The EU high band opening
>> >closes
>> >at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.
>> >
>> >Then there are the low bands.  Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, so
>> >40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same
>time
>> >as
>> >the sun rises across EU.
>> >
>> >Barry W2UP
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 6:25 PM <john@kk9a.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have operated many DX contests from Illinois and I there is a
>huge
>> >> difference between east coast and midwest propagation. Beside the
>> >mileage
>> >> difference east coast stations have their first skip over the
>> >Atlantic
>> >> ocean
>> >> which I believe offers some enhancement. We referred to the
>Midwest
>> >as the
>> >> black hole for a reason. W9JA moved from Wisconsin to Virginia and
>> >then
>> >> incredibly Paul started winning contests. You're lucky to be in
>New
>> >> Brunswick, it may be the ideal location for the ARRL DX contest.
>> >>
>> >> John KK9A
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
>> >>
>> >> He's only 618 miles SE of you and as the crow flies to EU (great
>> >circle
>> >> path)
>> >> he might only have you by 100-200 miles (roughly)
>> >> to the Center of EU (and there's more to CQWW than just EU) so
>it's
>> >> probably
>> >> just that he's the better/quicker op.  Nothing more.
>> >>
>> >> I don't think there is very much of any of this "East
>Coast/Midwest"
>> >stuff
>> >> going on here at all.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> CQ-Contest mailing list
>> >> CQ-Contest@contesting.com
>> >> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>> >>
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >CQ-Contest mailing list
>> >CQ-Contest@contesting.com
>> >http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>> _______________________________________________
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>>


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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 07:24:47 +0000
From: Ken K6MR <k6mr@outlook.com>
To: "rttydigital@groups.io" <rttydigital@groups.io>,
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        <cq-contest@contesting.com>,    "RTTY@groups.io" <RTTY@groups.io>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] NS RTTY this Thursday, 11 Nov in NA  DON'T
        FORGET THE TIME CHANGE!
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Greetings Diddlers,

Back into double digit turnout last week.  Welcome to first timer K0VW (neat 
call!), as well as AK2S and W4BBT who were back for more sprint fun.



And yes, it?s that time again for most of us to adjust ourselves to that silly 
biannual government imposed ritual of messing with time.  So even though the 
UTC times have not changed, those of you (and me) who are subjected to this 
craziness must adjust our day.  Put a yellow sticky on the monitor, set an 
alarm, whatever you need to do to remember to show up an hour earlier local 
time.  Except of course you lucky folks who are in states that have sane 
management.  Anyway, don?t forget.  If no one is around when you start CQing, 
you are too late!



The upcoming weekend has a biggie of the RTTY world:  WAE DX RTTY!  This one 
gives everyone a chance to play and makes QTCs a bit more fun. So warm up the 
diddle machine and join us Thursday evening to make sure everything is up to 
snuff for the weekend.



The details of our little get together:



Friday,  12 Nov 2021, 0145Z - 0215Z (Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 in NA)
-- 1745 - 1815 PST
-- 2045 - 2115 EST
-- (others in-between those two)
-- 160: Around 1805  (Last two to five minutes seem to be popular?)
-- 80/40/20/15 +84 kHz up from the band edge   <--NOTE
-- Same band dupes ok after 1 intervening Q.
-- 1 kHz QSY rule, otherwise standard Sprint rules
-- Mults per band.
-- 100W power limit

Please visit http://www.ncccsprint.com/rttyns.html for complete rules and links 
to other info. If you find any problems with the web pages, please let me know 
so we can get them fixed.

If you would like to receive all the latest info about NS as well as a have a 
place for comments and questions, sign up for the NS mailing list:  
https://groups.io/g/nccc-blue

Contestonlinescore.com has a slot set up for us if you?d like to make sure your 
logger is talking to the world.  Select NCCC NA RTTY Sprint.

Report scores to 3830scores.com, and join us at 0300Z on 3610 kHz (+/- a few 
for ongoing groups) for comments and questions (and dinner menus).

Don?t forget to check out RTTYops Weekday and Weekend Sprints.  
Tuesday/Thursday/Sunday (in NA) for you hopelessly addicted Sprinters.

Diddle diddle,

Ken K6MR




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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 09:01:10 +0100
From: Weisz L?szl? <ha3nu@tolna.net>
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East
        Coast
Message-ID: <d240d17e-9a54-f582-d378-49141da84ab3@tolna.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

GM,

MW vs East Coast

Here in Eu we have the same situation: West Coast (EU) vs. Central Eu. I 
agree with Steve N2IC and Barry W2UP: one from Central Eu is not able to 
reach the same results with a big monobander like TM3Z with his? 3el on 
21MHz. Eg. in case we have a 6 hours opening for US that means only 
about 30 mins to west coast (but in good conditions only) and of course 
G/EI/F/EA/CT etc. friends have7-8 hours opening in the same time with 
much bigger West Coast opening .? Same situation with North vs. South. 
Dimitri: "the propagation in the real world..." is the propagation what 
you have in France but not in Central/East Eu.

We have to live together with this fact.

73 Lacy HA3NU/HG3R


On 2021. 11. 09. 21:18, dimitri cosson wrote:
> Steve,
>
> <<<
> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
> 1) Because the K1TTT's skimmer was listening 40 to 12m. Have a look on? 
> reversebeacon.net and read the list of skimmers online (and on what bands)...
> 2) Read again the full Barry's e.mail
>
> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK
>
> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 20:42, ? 20:42, Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com> a ?crit:
>> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
>> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>>
>> Dim, you are welcome to guest operate from my QTH in New Mexico in any
>> DX
>> contest. I have an excellent, hilltop QTH with monoband yagis on 10-40,
>> a
>> rotatable dipole at 110' on 80 (with an effective height of 300'
>> towards
>> Europe), and an elevated vertical on 160. I think you would find the
>> experience to be humbling.
>>
>> 73,
>> Steve, N2IC
>>
>>
>>> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real world...
>>> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports
>> and
>>> form where it comes from :
>>>
>>> OE9GHV OH8FKK   7043.0  RTTY CQ 19 dB  45 bps 1706z  09 Nov
>>> WZ7I        TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ   10 dB  45 bps 1659z  09 Nov
>>> WE9V      TM3Z      21086.4  RTTY CQ  20 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>>> KO7SS    TM3Z      21086.5. RTTY CQ   25 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>>> W6YX.   TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ  20 dB 45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>>> K1TTT.   TM3Z      14099.1  RTTY CQ  22 dB 45 bps 1657z  09 Nov
>>>
>>> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by
>>> K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.
>>> Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's
>>> meadow
>>>
>>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 04:13, ? 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> a
>> ?crit:
>>>> You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the
>>>> opening
>>>> to Europe.  That's where QSO points come from, because there's
>>>> virtually an
>>>> endless supply of Europeans to work.
>>>> Start with the high bands.  Sunset in Europe is a constant for US
>> ops.
>>>> However sunRISE is the key.  Here are some examples of sunrise times
>>>> for
>>>> Nov 25:
>>>> Jonesport, ME 1140Z
>>>> Philadelphia, PA 1157Z
>>>> Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)
>>>> Chicago, IL 1252Z
>>>>
>>>> Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is
>> making 3
>>>> QSOs/minute with EU.  Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band
>> is
>>>> just opening in Phila.  And so on.  And of course, the opening is
>> also
>>>> stronger and deeper for the shorter paths.  The EU high band opening
>>>> closes
>>>> at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.
>>>>
>>>> Then there are the low bands.  Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, so
>>>> 40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same
>> time
>>>> as
>>>> the sun rises across EU.
>>>>
>>>> Barry W2UP
>>>>
>>>>

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 10:23:20 -0600
From: Mark - N5OT <r-emails@n5ot.com>
To: "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Interest in CQWW - analysis
Message-ID: <b4f68d0a-1ad5-79fa-a148-aaddcd7f20cf@n5ot.com>
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K9YC wrote:

 > Thanks for your offer, Mark. It could be a lot of work. The words I 
chose are descriptive, not quantitative. They will be defined 
quantitatively by work like you have volunteered to do!

Thanks Jim for such a gracious response.

We can split hair about the word "most" but these numbers below show a 
definition of "most" can mean "less than half" which I think was why I 
asked in the first place (since "most" is commonly thought of as "more 
than half").? As far as measuring degree of turn-on, well, that is above 
my pay-grade.? How does the old quote go, "I know it when I see it."? 
Apparently so does Jim but we both measure it differently.? Someone else 
can tackle that one.? As Ken AB1J posted, a survey could determine 
attitudes.

In the interest of crowd-sourcing what could be an interesting 
discussion amongst the enlightened here, I present some basic numbers 
for last year's CQWW Phone contest (all gleaned from Dr. Google and her 
World Wide Internet).? The data is at the end of this email.

- - - - - - - - - - -

 ?Analysis:

1.87% of all hams on the West Coast got on for the contest.

2.92% of all hams on the East Coast got on for the contest.

- - - - - - - - - - -

Definitions:

"All hams" means all hams who have a General, Advanced or Extra-class 
license

"Got on for the contest" means their callsign appeared at least once in 
a submitted log

"West Coast" means California, Oregon and Washington

"East Coast" means W1, W2 and W3

"Interest" means percentage of all hams who got on for the contest

"Greater interest" means the percentage is higher

For the purpose of this email, "hams" and "stations" and "callsigns" are 
all interchangeable.? No allowance was made for the number of operators 
who may have been on the air using a particular callsign, nor for their 
license class.? (e.g. Multiop entries).

- - - - - - - - - - -

Other interesting gleanings:

Based on the percentage of hams who got on for the contest:

Illinois showed greater interest than New York
Arizona showed greater interest than Georgia

The top five in order (by percentage) were NH, RI, DE, NJ followed by 
MINNESOTA

Measured by actual number of stations on the air:

California had more hams on for the contest than any other state
Florida was #2
Texas was #3

- - - - - - - - - - - -

Interesting that more people in 5th-ranked Minnesota got on for the CQWW 
than people in Connecticut, whether you measure it by percentage OR 
number of operators.? Conclusion: Hams in Minnesota are more easily 
turned on than hams in Connecticut.

Data follows.? If you want to sort the columns yourself click this link 
to download this simple spreadsheet:

http://www.n5ot.com/CQWW/2020-CQWW-Interest-Analysis-Data.xlsx

73 - Mark N5OT
P.S. My work here is finished


Data for 2021 CQWW Phone        
STATE   NUMBER OF STATIONS THAT GOT ON FOR THE CONTEST  NUMBER OF 
GENERAL, ADVANCED AND EXTRA-CLASS LICENSEES     PERCENTAGE OF GENERAL, 
ADVANCED AND EXTRA-CLASS LICENSEES WHO GOT ON FOR THE CONTEST
AK      1       1567    0.06%
AL      116     6128    1.89%
AR      67      3790    1.77%
AZ      238     10100   2.36%
CA      758     42789   1.77%
CO      160     7408    2.16%
CT      129     4313    2.99%
DE      31      938     3.30%
FL      510     27702   1.84%
GA      204     8844    2.31%
IA      72      3888    1.85%
ID      55      2821    1.95%
IL      326     11904   2.74%
IN      168     8167    2.06%
KS      57      3841    1.48%
KY      96      4651    2.06%
LA      61      3699    1.65%
MA      229     7881    2.91%
MD      178     6080    2.93%
ME      66      2692    2.45%
MI      236     11640   2.03%
MN      183     6094    3.00%
MO      132     7418    1.78%
MS      51      2737    1.86%
MT      31      1750    1.77%
NC      267     11082   2.41%
ND      16      803     1.99%
NE      35      2266    1.54%
NH      105     2887    3.64%
NJ      267     8308    3.21%
NM      46      2971    1.55%
NV      62      3260    1.90%
NY      433     16165   2.68%
OH      332     15913   2.09%
OK      77      4755    1.62%
OR      163     7964    2.05%
PA      415     14019   2.96%
RI      43      1200    3.58%
SC      120     4909    2.44%
SD      19      1157    1.64%
TN      190     8931    2.13%
TX      457     24796   1.84%
UT      68      3608    1.88%
VA      285     9949    2.86%
VT      24      1153    2.08%
WA      271     13120   2.07%
WI      184     6200    2.97%
WV      66      2967    2.22%
WY      22      923     2.38%
Grand Total     8122    368148  2.21%




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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 16:32:37 +0000 (UTC)
From: ktfrog007@aol.com
To: "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] "Is there a way a station could enter a
        "Block All Spots of Me" to the skimmer network?"
Message-ID: <425385538.1269565.1636561957810@mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

If there were an option to block all skimmer and cluster spots, do you think 
any top contest stations would do it in contests?

And if so, why?

73,
Ken, AB1J


-----Original Message-----
From: ko7ss--- via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
To: Reflector Cq-contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 9, 2021 2:19 pm
Subject: [CQ-Contest] "Is there a way a station could enter a "Block All Spots 
of Me" to the skimmer network?"

This option doesn't exist for the RBN as a whole, but at the individual skimmer 
level it
is easy. One of the user defined parameters is "Blocked Calls" to prevent a 
skimmer
from self spotting the owner in a contest.

One older boy and his radio sent me an E-mail a few years ago asking to not be
spotted on my skimmers and I set it up for him.

Anyone else? I can send the list to the RBN ops group if desired....

73, Bill KO7SS

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