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Re: [TenTec] Orion II 15 m CW Transmit Power Fluctuation

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion II 15 m CW Transmit Power Fluctuation
From: "Gary Hoffman" <ghoffman@spacetech.com>
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 21:52:43 -0400
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I have to say that the mere existance of a "pin one problem" (sic) is neither a necessary nor a sufficient condition for having Radio Frequency Interference (or even hum on the signal) in the shack.

If it were a sufficient condition, then almost every shack - and certainly most all Ten Tec equipped shacks - would have serious RFI problems that would require remediation. This is self-evidently not the case. Most shacks do NOT have RFI problems.
Some do of course.

If it were a necessary condition, then no device NOT having a "pin one problem" (sic) would ever have RFI. This, self-evidently is not
the case either.

My point is only this. The problem of radio frequency interference is very broad, and covers a very wide range of causes and effects. If one does not take a wide view of this matter, one will have a very hard time solving RFI problems.....or, in fact, in
understanding why they DON'T have RFI problems when they "should."

Hence my reference earlier to the "old saw." I won't bother to list my educational background, my published papers, my experience in aerospace and electrical engineering, my patents, or anything else....since none of that would be productive, nor would it solve the original poster's (and many others too) technical problems. Responding to that kind of stuff just leads to flame wars and takes ones
attention away from solving real problems.

73 de Gary, AA2IZ


----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Brown K9YC" <k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion II 15 m CW Transmit Power Fluctuation


On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 07:54:19 +0000 (GMT), QUENTIN COLLIER wrote:

Sorry to be a pain guys, but as someone who has recently joined this list,
can you please explain what the "pin 1 problem" is ?

It is the improper connection of the shields of external cables where they
enter the rig. The only proper connection is the CHASSIS. Most rigs connect
them to the circuit board on insulated connectors that are insulated from
the chassis. This causes any current flowing on the cable shield to flow on
"ground" or "earth" busses, which then couples that current (noise, hum,
buzz, RF) into the rig, where it is amplified and/or detected.

This defect was named "the pin 1 problem" because it was described in a
reasearch paper presented by Neil Muncy, ex-W3WJE, to the Audio Engineering
Society in 1994, and subsequently published in the Journal of the AES in
June 1995. Largely as a result of that work, Neil was elected a Fellow of
the AES. The connector most used for pro audio is an XLR, and the
designated shield contact is pin 1. I'm told that the guy who first called
it "the pin 1 problem" was Berhard Weingartner, the founder and president
of Neutrik, the excellent connector mfr based in Lichtenstein, who was an
active member of the Standards Committee at that time. He has since
retired, but both management and engineering of that company are still
quite active in AES Standards work.

In some bar conversation at technical meetings, Neil said that "most RFI is coupled by pin 1 problems." Between 2003 and 2005, I did some research that
proved him entirely correct. My work is also published as several AES
papers. My papers, as well as several tutorials on RFI and other topics of
interest to hams, are on my website.

http://audiosystemsgroup.com/publish.htm

Our work led to several new AES Standards on EMC -- AES48, AES54-1, AES54-
2, and AES54-3. They can be purchased from the AES website.

It's quite easy for cable shields to carry RF currents if they are near a
ham transmitter or broadcast antenna -- those cables are simply acting as
receiving antennas. They will also carry leakage current from the AC mains
when connected between two pieces of equipment that are connected to
different mains outlets. That current is what we hear as hum and buzz. We
call it a ground loop, but it is really mains leakage current. A second
coupling mechanism for this leakage current is as IR drop in the shield of
unbalanced wiring.

Most "RF in the shack" is coupled into equipment by a pin 1 problem. When
you kill RFI by placing a ferrite choke on wiring, you are killing the RF
current on that cable.

73,

Jim Brown K9YC


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