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Re: Topband: Detuning transmit antenna in receive

To: k6uj@pacbell.net,topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Detuning transmit antenna in receive
From: Missouri Guy <n0tt1@juno.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:19:22 +0000
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A previous edition (and maybe the current one) of 
the Low Band DXing book has several methods of 
detuning TX antennas...might be worth a look.  Some
can be done right in the shack.

73
Charlie, N0TT

On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:37:55 -0700 Bob K6UJ <k6uj@pacbell.net> writes:
> I am very interested in this subject, I am trying to figure out how 
> to detune my 160 inverted L.    I am using a flag antenna for 
> receive and unfortunately
> it is only about 50 feet from the base of the L.    By itself the 
> flag works very  well at reducing the local electrical noise, (which 
> luckily it is coming from only one direction)
> When the L is strung up it the flag is useless,  it reradiates the 
> noise like mad.   I'm hoping to learn more solutions on detuning 
> xmit antennas during receive from the group.  
> Wouldn't it be nice if all we had to do was ground the feedline to 
> the xmit antenna during receive ?   sigh................       I 
> guess the idea is to make the xmit antenna non resonant anywhere 
> near 
> the operating freq during receive.   
> 
> Bob
> K6UJ 
> 
> On Jun 17, 2012, at 8:03 AM, W2XJ wrote:
> 
> > There is no single solution for detuning an antenna it depends on 
> 
> > electrical length. For verticals a quarter wavelength or less it 
> is 
> > common to have a contactor between the network and the radiating 
> element 
> > and open the connection to float that element. This is the 
> practice in 
> > commercial directional arrays where some tower are not used in a 
> day or 
> > night mode.  This does not work well on taller towers and I do not 
> know 
> > offhand how it would work with the T. It is easy enough to model 
> in EZNEC.
> > 
> > On 6/16/12 3:02 PM, Shoppa, Tim wrote:
> >> OK, several folks came back and recommended detuning my transmit 
> antenna in receive.
> >> 
> >> Certainly any receive antenna I have is going to be in the shadow 
> of my transmit antenna, a 130-foot flat-top about 85 feet up, fed 
> against ground. (Really it's an 80 meter doublet fed with ladder 
> line. I tie the ladder line together at the bottom and feed against 
> ground.)
> >> 
> >> Trying to figure out what "detune" is.
> >> 
> >> I match the transmit antenna to 50 ohm coax with a L network at 
> the bottom. If I want to detune, then I can.... open up the 
> connection between the antenna and the L network at the bottom? 
> Unhook the L or C in the L network? Short out the antenna where it 
> comes into the L network? I could rig up a relay contact to do any 
> of those.
> >> 
> >> Tim N3QE
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
> >> 
> > _______________________________________________
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