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1. Materials for Beverages? (Drew Vonada-Smith)
2. Re: Materials for Beverages? (Lee STRAHAN)
3. Re: Materials for Beverages? (Tim Duffy)
4. Re: Materials for Beverages? (Gene Smar)
5. Re: Materials for Beverages? (Grant Saviers)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 17:01:41 +0000
From: Drew Vonada-Smith <drew@whisperingwoods.org>
To: "topband@contesting.com" <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
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Gene,
I have used those and others in that series with only fair results. They do
break more often than I'd like. I replace about 10% of them per year, which is
acceptable given that they are cheap. But I have not found anything better.
FYI - I'd be happy to use black ones, but have never seen them. My local farm
store carries the exact same bright yellow ones you listed. A link to a
"preferred type" would be welcome. I'm a bit of a birder and have not heard of
any hummingbird death issues. References?
73,
Drew K3PA
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Toda
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 16:35:47 -0400
From: Gene Smar <ersmar@verizon.net>
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Topband: Fwd: [TowerTalk] Fwd: Amazon recommends "Zareba
ITY-Z Standard..." and more
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FYI.? Materials for Beverages?
73 de
Gene Smar? AD3F
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 17:50:46 +0000
From: Lee STRAHAN <k7tjr@msn.com>
To: Drew Vonada-Smith <drew@whisperingwoods.org>,
"topband@contesting.com" <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
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Drew,
A simple search for "humming bird deaths due to colored fence insulators"
brought hundreds of hits including university studies.
All of these reference this in electric fence use however in my mind it is
certainly possible a Beverage could have considerable voltage on it due to a
close transmitting antenna.
My choice is an abundance of caution.
Home depot lists a plethora of types of "Black electric fence insulators"
among many other listings including the Zareba name in the original post.
Lee K7TJR OR
Subject: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
Gene,
I have used those and others in that series with only fair results. They do
break more often than I'd like. I replace about 10% of them per year, which is
acceptable given that they are cheap. But I have not found anything better.
FYI - I'd be happy to use black ones, but have never seen them. My local farm
store carries the exact same bright yellow ones you listed. A link to a
"preferred type" would be welcome. I'm a bit of a birder and have not heard of
any hummingbird death issues. References?
73,
Drew K3PA
________________________________
- Topband Reflector
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 14:16:04 -0400
From: "Tim Duffy" <k3lr@k3lr.com>
To: "'Drew Vonada-Smith'" <drew@whisperingwoods.org>,
<topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
Message-ID: <024201d78893$a045fbb0$e0d1f310$@k3lr.com>
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Two things concern me about black. UV and possible carbon used to color
black - which may be conductive at RF frequencies
73
Tim K3LR
-----Original Message-----
From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces+k3lr=k3lr.com@contesting.com] On
Behalf Of Drew Vonada-Smith
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:02 PM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
Gene,
I have used those and others in that series with only fair results. They do
break more often than I'd like. I replace about 10% of them per year, which
is acceptable given that they are cheap. But I have not found anything
better.
FYI - I'd be happy to use black ones, but have never seen them. My local
farm store carries the exact same bright yellow ones you listed. A link to
a "preferred type" would be welcome. I'm a bit of a birder and have not
heard of any hummingbird death issues. References?
73,
Drew K3PA
________________________________
Toda
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 16:35:47 -0400
From: Gene Smar <ersmar@verizon.net>
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Topband: Fwd: [TowerTalk] Fwd: Amazon recommends "Zareba
ITY-Z Standard..." and more
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FYI.? Materials for Beverages?
73 de
Gene Smar? AD3F
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 14:32:20 -0400
From: Gene Smar <ersmar@verizon.net>
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
Message-ID: <200e6573-5821-3c67-9708-97fe74b5745b@verizon.net>
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All:
???? I know nothing about these materials beyond what the links show.?
I merely forwarded to the group what I believed to be a helpful email
from Amazon.? Caveat Amateur.
73 de
Gene Smar? AD3F
On 8/3/2021 2:16 PM, Tim Duffy wrote:
> Two things concern me about black. UV and possible carbon used to color
> black - which may be conductive at RF frequencies
>
> 73
> Tim K3LR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces+k3lr=k3lr.com@contesting.com] On
> Behalf Of Drew Vonada-Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:02 PM
> To: topband@contesting.com
> Subject: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
>
> Gene,
>
> I have used those and others in that series with only fair results. They do
> break more often than I'd like. I replace about 10% of them per year, which
> is acceptable given that they are cheap. But I have not found anything
> better.
>
> FYI - I'd be happy to use black ones, but have never seen them. My local
> farm store carries the exact same bright yellow ones you listed. A link to
> a "preferred type" would be welcome. I'm a bit of a birder and have not
> heard of any hummingbird death issues. References?
>
> 73,
> Drew K3PA
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> Toda
> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 16:35:47 -0400
> From: Gene Smar <ersmar@verizon.net>
> To: topband@contesting.com
> Subject: Topband: Fwd: [TowerTalk] Fwd: Amazon recommends "Zareba
> ITY-Z Standard..." and more
> Message-ID: <78ef5d0e-0d78-c118-0819-e5ccc2dd72f3@verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> FYI.? Materials for Beverages?
>
> 73 de
> Gene Smar? AD3F
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 15:46:41 -0700
From: Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
Message-ID: <e8603111-6ef4-d09f-d7b3-c94e2f1a8b04@pacbell.net>
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N7QT & I verified that black ring screw-in insulators are too conductive
for one or two transmit radials on 160m. Lot's of arcs and smoke. I
now use the yellow 4" long barb wire insulators screwed to trees to
support 160m elevated Tx radials.
Black may not be a problem with Beverage field strengths.
Grant KZ1W
On 8/3/2021 11:16, Tim Duffy wrote:
> Two things concern me about black. UV and possible carbon used to color
> black - which may be conductive at RF frequencies
>
> 73
> Tim K3LR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces+k3lr=k3lr.com@contesting.com] On
> Behalf Of Drew Vonada-Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:02 PM
> To: topband@contesting.com
> Subject: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
>
> Gene,
>
> I have used those and others in that series with only fair results. They do
> break more often than I'd like. I replace about 10% of them per year, which
> is acceptable given that they are cheap. But I have not found anything
> better.
>
> FYI - I'd be happy to use black ones, but have never seen them. My local
> farm store carries the exact same bright yellow ones you listed. A link to
> a "preferred type" would be welcome. I'm a bit of a birder and have not
> heard of any hummingbird death issues. References?
>
> 73,
> Drew K3PA
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> Toda
> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 16:35:47 -0400
> From: Gene Smar <ersmar@verizon.net>
> To: topband@contesting.com
> Subject: Topband: Fwd: [TowerTalk] Fwd: Amazon recommends "Zareba
> ITY-Z Standard..." and more
> Message-ID: <78ef5d0e-0d78-c118-0819-e5ccc2dd72f3@verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> FYI.? Materials for Beverages?
>
> 73 de
> Gene Smar? AD3F
>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 10:17:39 +1000
From: List Mail <mail10@barefoothorse.com.au>
To: "topband@contesting.com" <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
Message-ID: <7b5768$qgur@vesa02.kjsl.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
I use the black screw-in plastic insulators for Beverage wire supports on
poles, and ceramic strain insulators for the wire ends. The high voltages
likely on the ends of elevated radials of transmitting antennas do not trouble
the ceramic electric fence strain insulators. For my two-wire Beverages, I use
a long coach screw through two ceramic barrel insulators where I use a tree for
an intermediate support. This maintains the spacing, about 1.5?. I secure the
wires with a bit of tie wire, not too tight, to allow the wires to slide when
the tree moves.
My local hardware/farm supply store is the source for most of my wire antenna
stuff. It?s very convenient.
73, Luke VK3HJ
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Grant Saviers
Sent: Wednesday, 4 August 2021 8:46 AM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
N7QT & I verified that black ring screw-in insulators are too conductive
for one or two transmit radials on 160m. Lot's of arcs and smoke. I
now use the yellow 4" long barb wire insulators screwed to trees to
support 160m elevated Tx radials.
Black may not be a problem with Beverage field strengths.
Grant KZ1W
On 8/3/2021 11:16, Tim Duffy wrote:
> Two things concern me about black. UV and possible carbon used to color
> black - which may be conductive at RF frequencies
>
> 73
> Tim K3LR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces+k3lr=k3lr.com@contesting.com] On
> Behalf Of Drew Vonada-Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:02 PM
> To: topband@contesting.com
> Subject: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
>
> Gene,
>
> I have used those and others in that series with only fair results. They do
> break more often than I'd like. I replace about 10% of them per year, which
> is acceptable given that they are cheap. But I have not found anything
> better.
>
> FYI - I'd be happy to use black ones, but have never seen them. My local
> farm store carries the exact same bright yellow ones you listed. A link to
> a "preferred type" would be welcome. I'm a bit of a birder and have not
> heard of any hummingbird death issues. References?
>
> 73,
> Drew K3PA
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> Toda
> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 16:35:47 -0400
> From: Gene Smar <ersmar@verizon.net>
> To: topband@contesting.com
> Subject: Topband: Fwd: [TowerTalk] Fwd: Amazon recommends "Zareba
> ITY-Z Standard..." and more
> Message-ID: <78ef5d0e-0d78-c118-0819-e5ccc2dd72f3@verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> FYI.? Materials for Beverages?
>
> 73 de
> Gene Smar? AD3F
>
>
>
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>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 20:20:16 -0400
From: "Tim Duffy" <k3lr@k3lr.com>
To: "'Grant Saviers'" <grants2@pacbell.net>, <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
Message-ID: <02c701d788c6$808ceb20$81a6c160$@k3lr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi Grant
The issue with some black insulators - with RX antennas they might not go up
in smoke, however they are still not a good insulator at RF - even for RX
antennas.
When coloring black - no carbon should be used - those can be a good
insulator.
I have been "burned" by black in the past.
Why take the chance?
73
Tim K3LR
-----Original Message-----
From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces+k3lr=k3lr.com@contesting.com] On
Behalf Of Grant Saviers
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 6:47 PM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
N7QT & I verified that black ring screw-in insulators are too conductive
for one or two transmit radials on 160m. Lot's of arcs and smoke. I
now use the yellow 4" long barb wire insulators screwed to trees to
support 160m elevated Tx radials.
Black may not be a problem with Beverage field strengths.
Grant KZ1W
On 8/3/2021 11:16, Tim Duffy wrote:
> Two things concern me about black. UV and possible carbon used to color
> black - which may be conductive at RF frequencies
>
> 73
> Tim K3LR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces+k3lr=k3lr.com@contesting.com] On
> Behalf Of Drew Vonada-Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:02 PM
> To: topband@contesting.com
> Subject: Topband: Materials for Beverages?
>
> Gene,
>
> I have used those and others in that series with only fair results. They
do
> break more often than I'd like. I replace about 10% of them per year,
which
> is acceptable given that they are cheap. But I have not found anything
> better.
>
> FYI - I'd be happy to use black ones, but have never seen them. My local
> farm store carries the exact same bright yellow ones you listed. A link
to
> a "preferred type" would be welcome. I'm a bit of a birder and have not
> heard of any hummingbird death issues. References?
>
> 73,
> Drew K3PA
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> Toda
> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 16:35:47 -0400
> From: Gene Smar <ersmar@verizon.net>
> To: topband@contesting.com
> Subject: Topband: Fwd: [TowerTalk] Fwd: Amazon recommends "Zareba
> ITY-Z Standard..." and more
> Message-ID: <78ef5d0e-0d78-c118-0819-e5ccc2dd72f3@verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> FYI.? Materials for Beverages?
>
> 73 de
> Gene Smar? AD3F
>
>
>
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>
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