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Re: [TowerTalk] worlds biggest yagi

To: Jim Lux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] worlds biggest yagi
From: Joe Giacobello <k2xx@swva.net>
Reply-to: k2xx@swva.net
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:36:41 -0400
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I believe W6KPC, Frank, had 36 elements (three pairs of horizontally 
stacked 6 element Yagis) on 20M and 27 or so elements on 15M.  The  
array was on the cover of QST around 1981.

The last time I worked him he was using a GP.

73, Joe
K2XX

Jim Lux wrote:
> Michael Keane K1MK wrote:
>   
>> At 10:31 AM 3/28/2008, Jim Lux wrote:
>>     
>>> Nathaniel Lee wrote:
>>>       
>>>> This is probably cheaper than mechanically rotating a rhombic!
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Wasn't it Jansky who had the rotating array on railroad tracks?
>>>       
>> Yes, it was Karl Jansky (discover of radio noise from the cosmos), 
>> although Jansky's array rotated on tires from a Ford Model-T in a wooden 
>> track. It was comparatively lightweight consisting mostly of a wood 
>> frame that was only about 20 feet tall (although 100 feet across)
>>
>> The antenna itself was an 8-element Bruce array plus reflector for 20.5 
>> MHz. At the time (1930), it was the largest steerable antenna in the world.
>>
>> Janksy's colleague at Bell Labs, Edmond Bruce, not only invented the 
>> array that is named after him but the rhombic as well.
>>
>> 73,
>> Mike K1MK
>>
>> Michael Keane K1MK
>> k1mk@alum.mit.edu
>>
>>     
>
> So the Jansky array isn't going to hack it for top band. Google also 
> turned up some SW broadcast curtain arrays with towers on train tracks, 
> which are probably a bit larger (39 and 41m bands maybe).
>
> Let's see.. you don't want the track to have too small a radius because 
> it's hard to bend the rails.  Let's say, a couple hundred meters in 
> diameter.  That would give you room for 8 bays across for 40m, and 2 
> bays for top band.  Vertically, you'd need 150 ft or so for 40m, but 
> that would be doable.  (Since there are road-able construction cranes 
> that go that high).  A few engineering challenges, but, overall, not out 
> of the question.
>
> Mind you, me being a phased array  kind of guy (move photons not metal), 
> I'd go for 3-4 towers with   the dipoles strung in two axes, and then 
> electrically rotate it, but I realize that doesn't have the sort of gut 
> level satisfaction of just picking the whole giant antenna up and moving it.
>
> Which brings up an interesting idea.  What if you mounted two SteppIRs 
> at 90 degrees to each other, in a fixed orientation.  Could you 
> electrically steer the beam in any direction, *with the same 
> performance* you could get from a rotator?  A big burly rotator, 
> bearings, masts, etc, could cost as much or more as the second antenna.
>
> And, can you do the steering with ONLY the element lengths, hooking the 
> two feedpoints in parallel.  I think so, but I'm not sure.
>
> By the way, the original post (and the subject) is world's biggest Yagi, 
> and while this might be the biggest HF yagi array on one tower, I'll bet 
> it's not the biggest yagi.  There was a monster 20m Yagi that someone 
> built about 20-30 years ago, and, of course, when you go to arrays, you 
> look at things like W5UN's EME array.
>
> And then, there are a variety of non-rotatable 75/80 and 40m Yagis made 
> with wires suspended from cables between towers, as well as all manner 
> of broadcast SW log periodics (granted, not a yagi) that are 
> substantially larger than this beast.
>
>
> Jim, W6RMK
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