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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Reply - KW3000 with 1/2 inch Drill Motor -Wrongassumption in responses
From: vk3pa@vk3pa.com
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:27:39 -0500
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PWM MOTOR CONTROL is used on golf buggies es invilide mobile carts A  
pwm CONTROLLER can be got from these people they are 12/24 V dc i  USE  
ONE FOR PROP PITCH MOTOR CONTROL they have RAMP UP/ DOWN also es can  
be controlled by a simple PIC controller/pc even a golf buggie motor  
has a built in gear reduction  so this could be another way to do  
it......

Quoting Gary Schafer <garyschafer@comcast.net>:

> Maybe some confusion here? A typical AC/DC motor has the fields wired in
> series with the armature. This allows the motor to run on either ac or dc
> voltage as it does not depend on the rotating fields that AC provides in a
> typical AC only motor.
>
> With the series fields/armature a lower voltage will cause the motor to draw
> more current and increase the torque. A light dimmer should work to control
> speed.
>
> A variable speed (variable frequency) drive will do nothing for the series
> wired motor to control speed. It will work the same if it is operated on 60
> Hz or 30 Hz or DC.
>
> 73
> Gary  K4FMX
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:towertalk-
>> bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Vernacchia
>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:36 PM
>> To: Richard (Rick) Karlquist
>> Cc: towertalk; Chuck Frame; Dubovsky, George
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Reply - KW3000 with 1/2 inch Drill Motor -
>> Wrongassumption in responses
>>
>> Rick,
>>
>> I was told by a friend who is knowledgeable about the subject that yes,
>> the
>> drill converts AC to DC so
>> not a candidate for Pulse Width Motor Speed Controller
>>
>> I need something off the shelf as I don't have time to reinvent the wheel
>> right now.
>>
>> Will have to wait for a solution on reflector unless you come up with
>> something in your quest
>> for same thing I need.
>>
>> 73, Dennis N6KI
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist <
>> richard@karlquist.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Dubovsky, George wrote:
>> >
>> >> You will still lose torque with a pwm light dimmer. You will need
>> >> something like an variable speed drive, where you vary the drive
>> frequency
>> >> and voltage simultaneously, essentially synthesizing a complete sine
>> wave at
>> >> an adjustable frequency. I use them on three-phase motors on my lathe
>> and
>> >> mill, but they are also available for single-phase motors. Not cheap,
>> but
>> >> less than the Hole Hawg ;-)
>> >>
>> >> 73,
>> >>
>> >> geo - n4ua
>> >>
>> >
>> > The idea of the PWM method is that you have full torque when
>> > on, but are not on all the time.  You do lose horsepower, but
>> > not torque, AFAIK.  It's similar to pulsing the ON/OFF switch
>> > on the drill.  I am not sure if there is any difference between
>> > a PWM motor speed controller and a light dimmer.
>> >
>> > A variable frequency drive sounds like something for an AC induction
>> > motor.  Most drills AFAIK are AC/DC motors, for which frequency is
>> > obviously irrelevant.
>> >
>> > If the above is wrong, someone correct me.  I want to get a
>> > Hole Hawg too, as soon as I figure out how to slow it down.
>> >
>> > Rick N6RK
>> >
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