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Re: [TowerTalk] TA32M & Spiderbeam Push Up Mast

To: "EZ Rhino" <ezrhino@fastmovers.biz>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] TA32M & Spiderbeam Push Up Mast
From: "Gary K9GS" <garyk9gs@wi.rr.com>
Reply-to: Gary K9GS <garyk9gs@wi.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 22:44:06 -0500
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So Chris....is the Spiderbeam mast for sale??  I'm looking for something to 
use to build an 80M vertical......


73,

-Gary K9GS
GMDXA Web Site:  www.gmdxa.org


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EZ Rhino" <ezrhino@fastmovers.biz>
To: <w1nk@cox.net>
Cc: <towertalk@contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] TA32M & Spiderbeam Push Up Mast


> Hi Frank,
>
> It seems like a feasible plan.  I have a little bit of experience with the 
> SpiderMast, so I can offer some insights.
>
> It is a well built unit, and quite solid when raised.  Its big advantage 
> is the portability.  It fits inside an 8" square box about 4' long.  It's 
> big downfall is the major PITA to get an antenna raised on it.  (It's also 
> not particularly cheap).
>
> I have set up a 5 band SpiderBeam on a 50' Spidermast at Field Day and 
> 7QP.  The reason it is hard to erect is the increasing weight when pushing 
> each section of mast up.  At first it isn't that bad, but it becomes 
> increasingly heavier the taller it gets.  It becomes impossible (unless 
> you are Mr. T or Arnold the Governator) to hold with one hand while 
> tightening the clamps with the other to keep the section just raised in 
> place.  It really requires two people.  Also, the mast when fully 
> collapsed is 5-ish to 6 feet tall, which means you need to stand on a 
> ladder placed right next to it in order to be tall enough to raise each 
> section.  This puts you at an awkward angle leaning over to muscle each 
> section up.  Another difficulty is when you push up a section, the entire 
> mast wants to raise (or come off the ground) because of the close 
> tolerances (friction) from tube to tube.  Finally, the three guys need to 
> be continually slackened as the mast goes taller.  This is really tri
> cky if it is windy.
>
> My buddy devised a clever system of using a farm jack (hi lift jack) to 
> jack up each section, making the raising somewhat easier, but creates a 
> new set of problems that I won't go into here.  So it takes a minimum of 
> 45 minutes to get it airborn, and then you run an SWR check and realize 
> the antenna needs tuning and then you let it down and start all over. 
> hihi.  One advantage is you can get it completely down in a couple 
> minutes.
>
> We threw in the towel after 7QP this year and pulled the trigger on a 
> Universal aluminum tower, 4 sections, 40' tall.  With a mast it will be 
> between 45-50 ft.  Each tower section is tapered and nests inside the 
> largest section, making transporting it fairly easy in a pickup truck.  (4 
> sections weigh 85 pounds).  Currently I'm getting it ready for Field Day. 
> I'm building a hinged base out of 2x6's and it will be guyed (obviously) 
> at the top.  The mast will have a hinge on the top which will allow the 
> antenna placed on it horizontal to the ground when the tower is laying 
> flat, then can be brought to horizontal when the tower is stood up.  We're 
> going to use a modified falling derrick method of raising it.
>
> Chris
> KF7P
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 28, 2010, at 12:57 , <w1nk@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Can anyone find anything wrong with my plans?
>
> I would love to put up my (stored) TA32M but would prefer avoiding the 
> expense, etc of a tower.  I happen to be looking over the Spiderbeam 
> website and came across their aluminum push up mast ("heavy duty").  The 
> mast is 7 sections ranging from  2.75" at the bottom to 1.5" at the top. 
> Wall thickness is 2mm.
>
> According to the manufacturer this mast will support the heavy duty 
> Spiderbeam which has the following specs:
> Boom: 33 ft
> Turning Radius: 16 ft
> Wind Load: 3.8 sq-ft
> Weight: 23lbs.
>
> According to the Mosley website, the TA32's specs are nearly identical.
>
> The setup would be guyed (obviously) using 2 ft ground stakes 
> (Spiderbeam's) or 4 ft ground screws (DxEngineering).  The rotor would be 
> a base mounted HD73 (also in storage and refurbished about 15 years ago).
>
> So, tell me my thinking is too good to be true.  Or for that matter if I 
> have a workable setup.
>
> Frank, W1NK
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