VE7RF said: “Dunno where the yagi screwup came from. It was always thought
that max windload occurred around 45 degs.... when in fact, MIN windload occurs
at 45 degs. So you either use the boom area + boom to mast plate.... or the
total of all the els, whichever is greater. But that Dick Weber article was
written a long time ago, so I assumed everybody was used to the correct way of
doing the calcs.”
At least in my case I was looking at it as a freshman-level statics problem,
which it is not. There are several diagrams in the article that shows exactly
what is really happening. Nothing like a picture.
VE7RF said: “The Torque compensator plate is very effective..esp on yagis that
have all the els bunched up at one end.”
Yep. I have F12 yagis exactly like that. If you are rotating the antenna around
the middle of the tower it frees you to move the mounting point in between
elements without regard to the middle of the boom.
Thanks for bring this up. I was in school when the article was published so
even though I was a CQ subscriber I wasn’t paying much attention. I should have
picked up on this earlier when looking at the values generated by Yagi Stress.
It clearly shows the maximum loads at the 0 and 90 degree points but I never
questioned why it was that way.
Ken K6MR
From: Jim Thomson<mailto:jim.thom@telus.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 09:43
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Subject: [TowerTalk] W6NL 40m Moxon (again)
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From: Ken K6MR <k6mr@outlook.com>
To: "towertalk@contesting.com" <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] W6NL 40m Moxon (again)
A week ago or so AC0H posted a simple question: how much wind load for a W6NL
40M Moxon yagi. As I had just built one and installed it (but not bothered to
do the mechanical model) I thought I?d dive in.
I posted some values from Yagi Stress, and a good conversation got going on how
to calculate the maximum wind load. Some numbers were posited but I still
wasn?t sure. Even though I?ve used Yagi Stress a fair amount, I was not quite
sure how it did what it did.
VE7RF and VE1DT pointed us to an old posting by K7NV regarding a modern wind
load calculation model published in Communications Quarterly. Thanks to AC6LA
who found the article and posted a link to the article and K7NVs posting. In
essence, I found out ?you?re doing it wrong?.
After reading through the article and (I think) understanding the concepts I
ran through the calcs again. Needless to say, the results are different.
In summary (assuming I did it all correctly), the antenna has a maximum wind
load of 6.22 sq. ft.. This occurs with the boom broadside to the wind. The
model includes RG8 coax to the DE and the balun box is included. For
comparison, the wind load with the antenna pointed into the wind (so loads from
the elements and standard Cushcraft mounting channels) is 5.98 sq. ft..
According to the K5IU model, the maximum wind load of the antenna is the larger
of these two values.
I also used Yagi Stress to calculate a torque compensator plate. Because of the
coax and balun there is a small value of rotating torque when broadside.
Allowing for the torque development by the different sizes of the element tees,
the plate is pretty small. But it does raise the total broadside area to 6.42
sq. ft. So I believe we can safely say ?under 7 sq. ft.? is a pretty safe
value.
The element and boom sizes I used were assuming converting an XM240 and using
the latest (2012) design that is labeled ?W2SC 100 mi/h?. This is the one that
puts new 1.5? center sections in the elements.
I?ve posted the summary I wrote up if you are interested in the numbers. And
please let me know if there is some bone-head math error or if I really don?t
understand the concepts. The original XM240 spec is 5.5 sq. ft., so the new
values seem reasonable.
http://bit.ly/1qYohrZ
Thanks to everyone who posted info on this subject. The best part about this
hobby (for me) is learning new stuff. This was definitely new.
Ken K6MR
## The cross flow principle has been around for a looong time in the real
world. The French used the cross flow principle when they designed the Eiffel
tower. The aircraft industry also uses it, along with everything else I
looked at.
Dunno where the yagi screwup came from. It was always thought that max
windload occurred around 45 degs.... when in fact, MIN windload occurs at 45
degs. So you either use the boom area + boom to mast plate.... or the total
of all the els,
whichever is greater. But that Dick Weber article was written a long time ago,
so I assumed everybody was used to the correct way of doing the calcs. The
Torque compensator plate is very effective..esp on yagis that have all the els
bunched up at one end.
Jim VE7RF
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