| I had not seen it either.  Then again, I'm about as far as an 
"experienced hand" as you can get.  But one of the towers I put up out 
here in 2018 exhibited that unscrewing thing right before my eyes... 
It was just on one guy, one tower leg, one of the 3 towers that went up 
that day.  We were roughing in the tower trim so I'm not sure how we 
were set for "under tension" at the moment but they were not slack.  I 
suppose it must have just been the rare combo of that specific guy, the 
bit of wind, the angle, the turnbuckle and whatever else - or maybe just 
some luck.  Seeing it made a believer out of me though. 
Would not say it's going to happen often based on my ultra limited 
experience - but I'm convinced after seeing it once with my eyes - guys 
who don't use a safety wire are definitely walking on the wrong side of 
the risk road given it's so damned easy to thread something in there to 
prevent it. 
73/jeff/ac0c
alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
www.ac0c.com
On 4/14/20 9:48 PM, Steve Maki wrote:
 The purpose of the safety wire is to prevent vandals from unscrewing 
the turnbuckle. Some say that it's also to prevent the turnbuckle from 
unscrewing due to vibration - but I've never seen that tendency in 
turnbuckles under guy wire tension.
Properly sized turnbuckles are not the weak link in the system - it's 
the guy wire itself. 
-Steve K8LX
On 04/14/20 22:16 PM, K9MA wrote:
 I ran into the same problem when I replaced my tower last year. I 
used Big Grips on the guys, but wanted to use cable clamps on the 
safety wire through the turnbuckles, which was to be 3/16 EHS. Except 
for some bare iron ones, none of the clamps I could find were rated 
for 1X7 EHS; all were rated for 7X19, etc, with more strands.  I 
think the key is that the saddles have to be malleable, because it's 
impossible to compress 1X7 EHS. (Ever try to cut the stuff?)  I 
finally ended up buying some finely stranded SS cable and clamps for 
the safety wires. Overkill, maybe, but if a turnbuckle fails, I want 
the safety wire to hold the tower up.
73,
Scott K9MA
On 4/14/2020 17:05, Donald Chester wrote:
 Keith Dutson kdutson at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 4 19:28:59 EDT 2020 
wrote:
 I re-guyed my Rohn 25 a couple of years ago.  Big Grips are great 
for attaching insulators breaking up
guy cables on my 160m vertical, but I use wire rope clamps on the 
chains of 3 insulators  next to the
tower because with Big Grips the insulators would be spaced too far 
apart for my liking.
Good reminder to always use hot dipped galvanized hardware.
 
I ordered new clamps from Rohn, but the ones I received were cheap 
zinc plated like something from
Ace Hardware, and the saddles are so poorly made that they slipped 
on the cable when I tested
them under tension using a ratchet puller. I called the Rohn dealer 
and they told me they couldn't get
the good hot-dipped clamps any more, since almost everyone now uses 
Big Grips exclusively.  I looked
on line and the good hot-dipped clips from Crosby are very 
expensive, about $7 each (mine cost me 
35¢ each in 1980).
I ended up re-using the old ones after carefully inspecting each 
one, and painted over them with a heavy
coat of Rustoleum aluminium paint.  I used some of the crappy ones I 
got from Rohn for another
(non-tower) project, and sure enough, the U-bolts and nuts are now 
heavily rusted after only two years,
much more so than the original clamps I had installed nearly 40 
years ago.  The re-used and painted ones
on the tower guy wires still look as good as the day I installed 
them.  I have found that ordinary aluminium
paint lasts longer before rust begins to peer through, than the 
"Cold-Galv" stuff. 
I still have a bucket full of the crappy ones I got from Rohn.  
Haven't decided whether to take them to
a  hamfest and sell for whatever I can get for them, or to toss them 
in the dumpster.  I would hate for
someone else to buy them from me and have a tower fail when the 
cables slipped during a heavy wind-
storm.  I would have returned them if I hadn't fooled around and 
waited more than a year before opening
the box when I was ready to use them, and discovering what they sent 
me. I didn't bother, since I doubt 
they would have accepted a return after I had waited that long.
Don k4kyv
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