The problem is definitely related to having more than 2 networked stations
set up -- I repeated the sequence of steps given earlier (way down at the
bottom of this e-mail) a third time, using still another ID for the "third"
station, and when I merged the results of A & B into the new C log, the
resulting Cabrillo file did *NOT* have the radio indicator in it. Merging
either A or B with C (so there were only 2 stations in the log) *did*
produce the correct Cabrillo log with the 0/1 station IDs in it.
HERE'S THE (almost) INTERESTING PART:
I now have a log with QSOs from 3 different network station IDs (A, B, C) --
So I tried changing my entry class to "Multi/Multi" and the Cabrillo file
generated by WriteLog still did *NOT* have the required station indicator
(the Multi/Multi rule regarding logs is the same as Multi/Two) -- is this a
bug in WriteLog?? Wayne??
I think you're going to have to do some fancy hacking on the data to get it
into an "acceptable" format for submission to the ARRL.
If you do the File | Export | ASCII with no formatting, by Band and then use
the WT4I Cabrillo tools on the resulting text file, I think you can get
close to what you want. You could effectively reduce the 4 radios down to 2
(by replacing the "C" and "D" stations with "A" or "B") -- but it would
require you to review each QSO and determine when to use "A" or "B" in the
replacement. Once that's done, it should be easy to crank out the Cabrillo
format file. It's going to be a lot of work, no way around that.
One nice thing about WT4I's Cabrillo stuff is it'll look for band change
violations for you as well as a lot of other things that you'll probably
find helpful.
Good luck!
-Marty NW0L
martyt@pobox.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scot Herrick" <scot@k9jy.com>
To: "Marty Tippin" <martyt@pobox.com>; "K4JA Paul" <k4ja@crosslink.net>;
<writelog@contesting.com>; "Paul Hellenberg" <k4ja@crosslink.net>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 12:58 PM
Subject: RE: [WriteLog] Fw: Multi-Two, Separate Logs & Cabrillo
> Hi Marty, et.al,
>
> I also was at K4JA's for the contest. We have the four radios networked
> together correctly in that we assign the letters for each PC as well as
the
> network name. In the WriteLog log window we also see the netw abbreviation
> and the correct letter for the radio making the QSO. I don't remember
seeing
> an 'r' for which radio was used as there was a one-to-one relationship
> between between the transmitter and the network (no SO2R-type operation)
> which would correctly identify which radio made the contact.
>
> So, the first issue is getting the correct transmitter to show in the
> Cabrillo file in that it appears WriteLog assumes M/2 as having only two
> radios. Being back in Chicago, we're checking back in VA on whether the
'log
> which radio makes the contact' was actually checked and seeing how we can
> get at least the network ID into the Cabrillo file. That will be miracle
> one.
>
> The second miracle is still trying to match up to the rules in that we
don't
> have two transmitters on site, we have four of which only two were on the
> air at any given time. We were very careful to match band changes to
> particular transmitters to make sure we followed the band change rules,
for
> example. So to provide a 'radio 1, radio 2' type of log for the Cabrillo
> file when using four transmitters is not obvious to us (and if it's not
> obvious to me, then it's really hard ;>)...)
>
> The question you asked of the contest committee assumed that you only had
> two radios in the contest and WL would correctly show 'Radio 1, Radio 0'
but
> did not address the situation with more than two radios doing the same
> category. So your good question still has us a bit stumped as to how to
> proceed (but know that we are building Excel spreadsheets to address
getting
> the log formatted right).
>
> Any insights here? Any other M/2 stations out there using more than 2
radios
> in the contest? Is this an enhancement opportunity? It might also apply to
> M/M operations where there is more than one radio per band where one is
> running and the other is looking for multipliers on that same band with
> amplifier interlocks to prevent more than one signal at a time (to be
> competitive in the M/M category, this set up is almost a necessity).....
>
> Thanks for your continued research. We're still looking for answers on
this
> one so we know what to be doing this weekend!
>
> CU...Scot, K9JY
>
> See the complete WriteLog user guide at http://www.k9jy.com
>
> mailto:scot@k9jy.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-writelog@contesting.com
> [mailto:owner-writelog@contesting.com]On Behalf Of Marty Tippin
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 11:19 AM
> To: K4JA Paul; writelog@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [WriteLog] Fw: Multi-Two, Separate Logs & Cabrillo
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "K4JA Paul" <k4ja@crosslink.net>
> To: "Marty Tippin" <martyt@pobox.com>; <writelog@contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [WriteLog] Fw: Multi-Two, Separate Logs & Cabrillo
>
>
> >
> > Hello All
> >
> > Then Set up here is 4 networked PC's with 4 radios. I think I see the
> radio
> > identification in WL but Not in the Cabrillo File unless I am missing
> > something.
> <snip>
> > QSO: 7009 CW 2001-02-17 0000 K4JA 599 VA PA3CWN 599
> 100
> > QSO: 7009 CW 2001-02-17 0001 K4JA 599 VA LY2BM 599
> 100
>
>
>
> The radio information definitely isn't in your Cabrillo file (it'd be at
the
> end of the line).
>
> I did some more testing just now (at the expense of my employer!) and
there
> seems to be an additional setup requirement that I didn't include
> originally:
>
> The PCs have to be connected via the network, each having a different
> "Network ID" - I used "A" and "B" for my stations. Note that this Network
ID
> is different from and unrelated to the "Network Display Name" you can
enter
> from the Setup menu. This is part of the normal steps for setting up
> networking in WriteLog, so it shouldn't be a problem unless you used the
> same network ID on all computers (that would be Very Bad Thing(tm))
>
> When you look at the log from within WriteLog, scroll to the far right
side
> of the log window and you should see "r" and "NETW" - the "r" apparently
> identifies which radio on a particular computer was used, and the "NETW"
> identifies which computer on the network was used -- it's this NETW value
> that clues WriteLog to include the radio identifier in the cabrillo file.
If
> it's not present in your log, you've got a real problem!
>
>
>
> I did the following steps to "simulate" two networked PCs and the Cabrillo
> file generated as it should have - basically I pretended I had logs from
two
> different machines that had lost their network connection and the logs
were
> later "merged" in WriteLog - (this was done with v.10.22B; my other
testing
> over the weekend was v10.24F):
>
> 1. Start a new log (select ARRL DX as the contsst)
> 2. Select Setup | Log which Radio Makes the QSO (make sure it's checked)
> 3. Select Setup | Register to accept network connections
> 4. Enter a station ID of "A" when prompted (the prompt says "Enter a
letter
> (A through Z) distinguishing this station from all others being
networked")
> 5. Enter a couple "dummy" QSOs - be sure to set band/mode to something
valid
> if the radio isn't turned on and provding that information.
> 6. Save the log.
> 7. Start another new log (again, pick ARRL DX as the contest)
> 8. Select Setup | Log which Radio Makes the QSO (make sure it's checked)
> 9. Select Setup | Register to accept network connections
> 10. Enter a station ID of "B" when prompted
> 11. Enter a couple "dummy" qsos - be sure to set band/mode as appropriate.
> 12. Save the log using a different name than in step 6
> 13. Select File | Merge... and select the log files saved in step 6.
>
> You should now see a log that has several QSOs with a NETW of "A" and
> several with a NETW of "B" at the far right of the log window.
>
> 14. Save the merged log under another new name
> 15. Contest | Cabrillo File
> 16. Be sure to select "Multi-Two" as the category
>
> When you're done, the cabrillo log should resemble this:
>
> START-OF-LOG: 2.0
> ARRL-SECTION: MO
> CALLSIGN: NW0L
> CATEGORY: MULTI-TWO ALL HIGH
> CLAIMED-SCORE: 48
> CLUB:
> CONTEST: ARRL-DX-SSB
> NAME: Marty Tippin
> ADDRESS: 1010 SE 6th St
> ADDRESS: Lee's Summit MO 64063
> OPERATORS: NW0L
> SOAPBOX:
> QSO: 21000 PH 2001-02-26 1708 NW0L 59 MO T32V 59
KW
> 1
> QSO: 21000 PH 2001-02-26 1708 NW0L 59 MO P7T 59
005
> 1
> QSO: 14000 PH 2001-02-26 1707 NW0L 59 MO WP2Z 59
KW
> 0
> QSO: 14000 PH 2001-02-26 1707 NW0L 59 MO PJ2T 59
600
> 0
> END-OF-LOG:
>
> Hope this is helpful...
>
> -Marty NW0L
> martyt@pobox.com
>
>
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