Hello Marty
Please except my apology. You are correct. Once I shut down all the PC's
and only brought up two I was able to get 1 and 0 in the cabrillo file. At
least we now have that verified on my end.
73 Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marty Tippin" <martyt@pobox.com>
To: <scot@k9jy.com>; "K4JA Paul" <k4ja@crosslink.net>;
<writelog@contesting.com>
Cc: <w5xd@writelog.com>
Sent: Monday, 26 February, 2001 19:23
Subject: Re: [WriteLog] Fw: Multi-Two, Separate Logs & Cabrillo
> The problem is definitely related to having more than 2 networked stations
> set up -- I repeated the sequence of steps given earlier (way down at the
> bottom of this e-mail) a third time, using still another ID for the
"third"
> station, and when I merged the results of A & B into the new C log, the
> resulting Cabrillo file did *NOT* have the radio indicator in it. Merging
> either A or B with C (so there were only 2 stations in the log) *did*
> produce the correct Cabrillo log with the 0/1 station IDs in it.
>
> HERE'S THE (almost) INTERESTING PART:
>
> I now have a log with QSOs from 3 different network station IDs (A, B,
C) --
> So I tried changing my entry class to "Multi/Multi" and the Cabrillo file
> generated by WriteLog still did *NOT* have the required station indicator
> (the Multi/Multi rule regarding logs is the same as Multi/Two) -- is this
a
> bug in WriteLog?? Wayne??
>
>
>
> I think you're going to have to do some fancy hacking on the data to get
it
> into an "acceptable" format for submission to the ARRL.
>
> If you do the File | Export | ASCII with no formatting, by Band and then
use
> the WT4I Cabrillo tools on the resulting text file, I think you can get
> close to what you want. You could effectively reduce the 4 radios down to
2
> (by replacing the "C" and "D" stations with "A" or "B") -- but it would
> require you to review each QSO and determine when to use "A" or "B" in the
> replacement. Once that's done, it should be easy to crank out the Cabrillo
> format file. It's going to be a lot of work, no way around that.
>
> One nice thing about WT4I's Cabrillo stuff is it'll look for band change
> violations for you as well as a lot of other things that you'll probably
> find helpful.
>
> Good luck!
>
> -Marty NW0L
> martyt@pobox.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scot Herrick" <scot@k9jy.com>
> To: "Marty Tippin" <martyt@pobox.com>; "K4JA Paul" <k4ja@crosslink.net>;
> <writelog@contesting.com>; "Paul Hellenberg" <k4ja@crosslink.net>
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 12:58 PM
> Subject: RE: [WriteLog] Fw: Multi-Two, Separate Logs & Cabrillo
>
>
> > Hi Marty, et.al,
> >
> > I also was at K4JA's for the contest. We have the four radios networked
> > together correctly in that we assign the letters for each PC as well as
> the
> > network name. In the WriteLog log window we also see the netw
abbreviation
> > and the correct letter for the radio making the QSO. I don't remember
> seeing
> > an 'r' for which radio was used as there was a one-to-one relationship
> > between between the transmitter and the network (no SO2R-type operation)
> > which would correctly identify which radio made the contact.
> >
> > So, the first issue is getting the correct transmitter to show in the
> > Cabrillo file in that it appears WriteLog assumes M/2 as having only two
> > radios. Being back in Chicago, we're checking back in VA on whether the
> 'log
> > which radio makes the contact' was actually checked and seeing how we
can
> > get at least the network ID into the Cabrillo file. That will be miracle
> > one.
> >
> > The second miracle is still trying to match up to the rules in that we
> don't
> > have two transmitters on site, we have four of which only two were on
the
> > air at any given time. We were very careful to match band changes to
> > particular transmitters to make sure we followed the band change rules,
> for
> > example. So to provide a 'radio 1, radio 2' type of log for the Cabrillo
> > file when using four transmitters is not obvious to us (and if it's not
> > obvious to me, then it's really hard ;>)...)
> >
> > The question you asked of the contest committee assumed that you only
had
> > two radios in the contest and WL would correctly show 'Radio 1, Radio 0'
> but
> > did not address the situation with more than two radios doing the same
> > category. So your good question still has us a bit stumped as to how to
> > proceed (but know that we are building Excel spreadsheets to address
> getting
> > the log formatted right).
> >
> > Any insights here? Any other M/2 stations out there using more than 2
> radios
> > in the contest? Is this an enhancement opportunity? It might also apply
to
> > M/M operations where there is more than one radio per band where one is
> > running and the other is looking for multipliers on that same band with
> > amplifier interlocks to prevent more than one signal at a time (to be
> > competitive in the M/M category, this set up is almost a necessity).....
> >
> > Thanks for your continued research. We're still looking for answers on
> this
> > one so we know what to be doing this weekend!
> >
> > CU...Scot, K9JY
> >
> > See the complete WriteLog user guide at http://www.k9jy.com
> >
> > mailto:scot@k9jy.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-writelog@contesting.com
> > [mailto:owner-writelog@contesting.com]On Behalf Of Marty Tippin
> > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 11:19 AM
> > To: K4JA Paul; writelog@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [WriteLog] Fw: Multi-Two, Separate Logs & Cabrillo
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "K4JA Paul" <k4ja@crosslink.net>
> > To: "Marty Tippin" <martyt@pobox.com>; <writelog@contesting.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WriteLog] Fw: Multi-Two, Separate Logs & Cabrillo
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hello All
> > >
> > > Then Set up here is 4 networked PC's with 4 radios. I think I see the
> > radio
> > > identification in WL but Not in the Cabrillo File unless I am missing
> > > something.
> > <snip>
> > > QSO: 7009 CW 2001-02-17 0000 K4JA 599 VA PA3CWN
599
> > 100
> > > QSO: 7009 CW 2001-02-17 0001 K4JA 599 VA LY2BM
599
> > 100
> >
> >
> >
> > The radio information definitely isn't in your Cabrillo file (it'd be at
> the
> > end of the line).
> >
> > I did some more testing just now (at the expense of my employer!) and
> there
> > seems to be an additional setup requirement that I didn't include
> > originally:
> >
> > The PCs have to be connected via the network, each having a different
> > "Network ID" - I used "A" and "B" for my stations. Note that this
Network
> ID
> > is different from and unrelated to the "Network Display Name" you can
> enter
> > from the Setup menu. This is part of the normal steps for setting up
> > networking in WriteLog, so it shouldn't be a problem unless you used the
> > same network ID on all computers (that would be Very Bad Thing(tm))
> >
> > When you look at the log from within WriteLog, scroll to the far right
> side
> > of the log window and you should see "r" and "NETW" - the "r" apparently
> > identifies which radio on a particular computer was used, and the "NETW"
> > identifies which computer on the network was used -- it's this NETW
value
> > that clues WriteLog to include the radio identifier in the cabrillo
file.
> If
> > it's not present in your log, you've got a real problem!
> >
> >
> >
> > I did the following steps to "simulate" two networked PCs and the
Cabrillo
> > file generated as it should have - basically I pretended I had logs from
> two
> > different machines that had lost their network connection and the logs
> were
> > later "merged" in WriteLog - (this was done with v.10.22B; my other
> testing
> > over the weekend was v10.24F):
> >
> > 1. Start a new log (select ARRL DX as the contsst)
> > 2. Select Setup | Log which Radio Makes the QSO (make sure it's checked)
> > 3. Select Setup | Register to accept network connections
> > 4. Enter a station ID of "A" when prompted (the prompt says "Enter a
> letter
> > (A through Z) distinguishing this station from all others being
> networked")
> > 5. Enter a couple "dummy" QSOs - be sure to set band/mode to something
> valid
> > if the radio isn't turned on and provding that information.
> > 6. Save the log.
> > 7. Start another new log (again, pick ARRL DX as the contest)
> > 8. Select Setup | Log which Radio Makes the QSO (make sure it's checked)
> > 9. Select Setup | Register to accept network connections
> > 10. Enter a station ID of "B" when prompted
> > 11. Enter a couple "dummy" qsos - be sure to set band/mode as
appropriate.
> > 12. Save the log using a different name than in step 6
> > 13. Select File | Merge... and select the log files saved in step 6.
> >
> > You should now see a log that has several QSOs with a NETW of "A" and
> > several with a NETW of "B" at the far right of the log window.
> >
> > 14. Save the merged log under another new name
> > 15. Contest | Cabrillo File
> > 16. Be sure to select "Multi-Two" as the category
> >
> > When you're done, the cabrillo log should resemble this:
> >
> > START-OF-LOG: 2.0
> > ARRL-SECTION: MO
> > CALLSIGN: NW0L
> > CATEGORY: MULTI-TWO ALL HIGH
> > CLAIMED-SCORE: 48
> > CLUB:
> > CONTEST: ARRL-DX-SSB
> > NAME: Marty Tippin
> > ADDRESS: 1010 SE 6th St
> > ADDRESS: Lee's Summit MO 64063
> > OPERATORS: NW0L
> > SOAPBOX:
> > QSO: 21000 PH 2001-02-26 1708 NW0L 59 MO T32V 59
> KW
> > 1
> > QSO: 21000 PH 2001-02-26 1708 NW0L 59 MO P7T 59
> 005
> > 1
> > QSO: 14000 PH 2001-02-26 1707 NW0L 59 MO WP2Z 59
> KW
> > 0
> > QSO: 14000 PH 2001-02-26 1707 NW0L 59 MO PJ2T 59
> 600
> > 0
> > END-OF-LOG:
> >
> > Hope this is helpful...
> >
> > -Marty NW0L
> > martyt@pobox.com
> >
> >
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