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Re: [Amps] 4pr-1000b,Y448 tubes

To: "Bill Fuqua" <wlfuqu00@uky.edu>, "Ve6wz_Steve" <ve6wz@shaw.ca>,"AMPS" <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] 4pr-1000b,Y448 tubes
From: R.Measures <r@somis.org>
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:47:41 -0800
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**   As I understand it, the Y-448 draws slightly more filament current 
than a 4-1000A, and therefore has more peak emission - which a good thing 
for pulse service.

>I have talked with R. Brandon at EIMAC (CPI) about this. It seems that they 
>are 4-1000A and the 4PR1000 tubes are the same.
>The 4PR1000b tubes are taken off the production line of the 4-1000A tubes 
>and then they are tested with 30KV on the anode. The voltage is raised 
>slowly to condition the tube until it reaches the max. They perhaps go a 
>little above the 30KV but that is only speculation on my part. Most of the 
>4-1000A tubes that they meet the requirement right off the bat because they 
>are rated for plate modulate AM applications with 5500 volts plate voltage 
>which translates to 11,000 peak voltage (more than 1/3 of the PR 
>rating).  He just sent me the newest version of the Care and Feeding of 
>Power Grid Tubes which has much more material in it than the old version 
>(now 173 pages).
>
>Conditioning is a routine where you slowly increase the voltage until there 
>is a flash over or there is a sudden increase in current. The flash over is 
>usually due to small pointed or irregular surface feature that the flash 
>over evaporates. And then you can try again.
>
>By the way don't use any Triton 4-1000 or 4PR1000 tubes. They have not been 
>able to make them reliably. Every new Triton I have tested before they go 
>to into service in a linear accelerator  has failed due to gas or low 
>emission or both. The best tubes are the Amperex made by Covimag in France. 
>And they have graphite anodes as well. This instrument has been getting 
>over 2  years of continuous service from the Amperex ones. They have even 
>switched from the 4PR1000 to 4-1000 tubes. Their plate voltages in the 
>power oscillator runs up to 8 or 9 Kv.
>
>One caution about used 4PR1000 tubes. If they are used in pulse 
>applications they often can look perfectly good (no brown color on the 
>glass envelope) but be low on emission. In some applications they run them 
>until they are really flat. I guess that may be because they are often run 
>in pairs and the stronger tube can keep things going.
>
>73
>Bill wa4lav
>
>
>
>At 02:22 PM 12/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>>I have searched google for details on the diferances between the
>>4pr-1000b (pulse tube) and the basic 4-1000a and have found limited
>>information.
>>
>>My HB 4-1000 amp, GG with 6Kv anode voltage performs well, but just
>>today realised the tube is an Eimac 4pr-1000b....I can just read the
>>faint red print.
>>
>>What "real" difference is realised by using the pulse rated tube and the
>>"standard" 4-1000a ??
>>
>>Also, any experience out there regarding using the National Y448 tube? I
>>have the oportunity to purchase one of those...will they function as
>>plug-and-play replacements to a 4-1000? Reliable?
>>
>>Steve ve6wz.
>>
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