| Jeff --  I have seen Eimac data sheets where the (g-g config)  
feedback-C and the output C were inadvertently swapped. 
 On Oct 15, 2004, at 8:53 PM, jeff millar wrote:
 
 
 Art...
 Let's put this back on the reflector...it's getting interesting.
 
 
 All the data sheet from the gda.pl site list values like
input C 10 pF
output C .05 pF
Transfer C 5 pF 
 But the data sheets at nd2x.net generally look like
input C 10 pF
output C 5 pF
Transfer C .05 pF Note the swapping of values between ouput C and Transfer C values
 
 Going to the Eimac web site and looking at the 8877 data sheet clears 
this up. The values swap around between grounded grid and grounded 
cathode. Feedthrough and Transfer C measure the same thing.
 
 Capacitance 	Grounded Cathode
 
 
      Input
     Output
     Feedthrough
         38.5 pf
0.1 pf
10. pf
Capacitance     Grounded Grid 
      Input
     Output
     Feedthrough
         38.5 pf
10.2 pf
0.1 pf 
 So... make a table of all the Grounded Grid transfer C we can find for 
these tubes
 
 
 GI-6B 0.2 - 0.3 pF
GI-7B 0.055 to 0.095 pF
GS-9 0.04 pF
GI-46B
GS-31 0.12 pF
GS-35 0.12 pF
8877 0.1 pF It doesn't appear that any of the various web sites have data on the 
capacitance for the tube...which is a bit strange. But since someone 
built a 432 Amp with the GI-46b, it probably doesn't have the special 
feedback wires like the GI-6B.
 
 A very interesting little bit of investigation.
 
 jeff, wa1hco
 
 
 Arthur Moe wrote:
 
 
 Jeff,
 You might want to look here:
 
 http://www.mif.pg.gda.pl/homepages/frank/sheets/018/g/GI7B.pdf
 
 http://www.mif.pg.gda.pl/homepages/frank/sheets/018/g/GI46B.pdf
 
 Note that Transfer "C" is 4.0-5.2 for the GI7B and 5.1-6.4 for the 
GI46B, the 46 only 1.1 to 1.2 more
 
 
 Art
KB7WW
 
 
 jeff millar wrote:
 
 
 Interesting...do you think there's a typo on the data sheet?
 jeff
 
 Arthur Moe wrote:
 
 
 
 All,
 If you look around these sites you will find VHF amplifiers using 
these tubes.  One
 is a commercial builder in europe. See mid power list.
 
 
 
 http://www.pollak.sulinet.hu/elektro/pa_rev/pa_rev.htm#mid_vhf
 
 http://www.westparknet.com/business/ham%20shop/GI46Bamp.htm
 
 http://www.qsl.net/ok2zi/pa432.html
 
 
 Art
KN7WW
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Bob the advertisement says the GI-46b is a variant on the GI-7b.  
Butits interesting to read the description of the GI-6B, particularly 
the
 transfer capacitance (http://nd2x.net/gi6b.html).  Lets compare 
transfer
 capacitance
 
 GI-6B   0.25 pf   wires from cathode to anode to make it 
oscillate
 GI-7b    0.075 pf   good to microwave frequencies
 GI-46B 5.1 pf   wow
 (http://www.tubes.ru/techinfo/TransmittingPulseTubes/gi-46b.html)
 
 
 So it look to me like they used the tube as a power oscillator in
UHF/microwave application and include extra transfer capacitance to
simplify the external cavity design. I belive the statement that the tube is the last generation of 
small
 triode and it's the most advanced design.  But its not suitable 
for UHF
 and probably not for VHF.  But in an HF amplifier in Grounded 
Grid, it
 works fine.
 
 jeff, wa1hco
 
 Bob Bruno - K2KI wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 Are there any examples of an amp that has been built using the 
GI-46B tube. I see a guy on eBay selling them rather cheap I 
think.Anything that I should know about this tube that might steer me 
away from getting one?
 
 
 73, CUL
 
 
 Bob Bruno - K2KI
k2ki@starc,org
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