On Dec 16, 2005, at 1:59 PM, Gary Schafer wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> You do have a spectrum analyzer in your shack! Your receiver.
> Modulate the transmitter with 2 tones and tune across with your cw
> filter on another receiver. Note the level of one of the tones on the S
> meter. Then tune to the 3rd order product and note the level
> difference.
> Same thing a spectrum analyzer does.
> If you want to get real accurate put a step attenuator in front of the
> receiver so you don't depend on S meter calibration.
Amen, Gary. For most of 'em, the s in S-meter stands for sucky.
Step-attenuators are typically way more truthful.
> Now you will have a base to work from.
>
> 73
> Gary K4FMX
>
>
> Tom Cathey wrote:
>> That's more valuable info, Marv - Tnx again!
>>
>> A few follow up questions:
>>
>> If I tap off the FT-1000D 10mW low level point, can I run a long ~
>> 20' coax
>> cable to the amplifier CA2XX module's input, or will this cause
>> problems?
>> This is for 75M only. Maybe there is a way to do this.
>>
>> I looked at the FT-1000D's circuit that puts out 10mW, just before it
>> goes
>> into the power amp board. I'm trying to figure if it's possibly as
>> clean
>> as -55db there. I don't have a spec analyzer. It uses all pnp
>> transistors -
>> a 2SC2026 base driven, driving another 2CS2026 in emitter follower,
>> driving
>> a 2CS1973 in emitter follower at 10mW out. There's much more stuff
>> involved,
>> like the balanced modulator, etc. Is this enough info to make a
>> guess from
>> your experience of what kind of IMD we are dealing with at this
>> point? This
>> will have a big effect on what direction I take, of course. Or maybe
>> I
>> could sample it into a receiver and get an idea using the same
>> relative IMD
>> procedures I use for a big amp.
>>
>> OK on the sample amplifier using a 6146 input running reduced
>> voltages and
>> 1W, low power for cleanliness. Guess NFB will not help there.
>>
>> Last question: Let's say I did put two 4CX-350's in cascade, so had
>> lots of
>> gain to work with. What is the practical limit for conventional
>> negative
>> feedback? Is it a matter of running into instability, perhaps? And
>> I take
>> it from your comments, that you would run feedback from the final to
>> the
>> predriver, [two stages at a time only] and then where would you run
>> the
>> second loop to cover the pre-pre driver 4CX-350 and the input 6146,
>> for
>> example?
>>
>> 73,
>> Tom, K1JJ
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>
>> Hi Tom,
>> That '5106 is probably for Cable TV use and likely cuts off around
>> 40 MHz
>> (on the low end!).
>>
>> If I recall correctly, some of the general purpose units that go
>> down to
>> a MHz use numbers from CA28XX group. They come in both single ended
>> and
>> push-pull versions.
>>
>> I've seen a few of the 350J's for sale on the web over the years.
>> I
>> don't believe the demand is very high for those as they have a 26V
>> heater
>> and as such can't be dropped into a 4CX250B socket. There is also the
>> 4CX600J/JA/JB.
>>
>> The 6146 shown on the Hughes schematic is run deep into Class A.
>> Note the
>> low screen & plate voltages. I bet the numbers were just fine
>> running all
>> of a watt output.
>>
>> For feed forward, an error amp with perhaps another 4CX350FJ would
>> be
>> necessary. It is not a difficult scheme to implement but, it would
>> double
>> the parts count for the project. If you read about the technique on
>> the
>> web, keep in mind that "they" are typically working with transistor
>> amps
>> that start with distortion numbers 20dB worse than tubes. Therefore,
>> in
>> this case, less correction power will be required, the output
>> combiner ratio
>> will optimally be a bit higher, and power lost from the main amp will
>> be
>> lower.
>>
>> The subject line said you wanted "the Cleanest Linear". To avoid
>> degrading the system, the driver should exhibit distortion specs at
>> least
>> 10dB better than the amplifier. Your FT-1K will still be useful for
>> the
>> receiver.
>>
>> 73 & Good morning,
>> Marv WC6W
>>
>>
>>
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