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Re: [Amps] HV transformer buzzing!! Help Please

To: "W5CUL" <w5cul@sbcglobal.net>, "'Van K7VS'" <wa7fab@cdsnet.net>
Subject: Re: [Amps] HV transformer buzzing!! Help Please
From: "EP Swynar" <gswynar@durham.net>
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:45:14 -0400
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In the past, I've actually "injected" silicone into the innards of
bell-ended transformers, in anticipation of (possible) vibration from older
such units...

I don't know if this notion really works, or not --- they were, after all &
in all instances, pre-emptive moves on my part --- but, I can honestly (and
happily!) say that whenever I've done this, I've never once had a
"...vibrator" in the bunch.

Perhaps a better idea might be to tip the transformer upside down, & then
simply pour something a little more viscous --- like maybe varnish? ---down
in between the end bells & the windings themselves...let it soak in a tad,
then pour in some more...

Last but not least, the thing should be allowed to thoroughly dry --- a
process that'd no doubt take several days to complete.

As I say, I've never personally tried this last trick myself, but in the
final analysis, aren't transformer windings sealed with some sort of a
shellac, anyway? And if the original stuff dries hard over time, & becomes
brittle (resulting in vibration), what harm could a "fresh" application of
varnish / shellac like this be...?

~73~ Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "W5CUL" <w5cul@sbcglobal.net>
To: "'Van K7VS'" <wa7fab@cdsnet.net>
Cc: <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] HV transformer buzzing!! Help Please


> Van,
>
> Transformers will vibrate when voltage is supplied, specifically the
> windings.  This can happen if the primary and secondary windings are not
> wound tightly.  Or if the winding as a whole does not completely fill the
> window of the iron, and thus is a little loose, you can develop some
> buzzing.  I would check the HV transformer for shims (wooden wedges)
between
> the windings and the iron core.  If there are no shims, I would make some
> out of wood and place them between the winding and the iron core such that
> the windings are tight within the assembly.  If there are shims already in
> place, then readjust them until the noise is abated.  Now all of this
advice
> is without actually seeing the transformer, but from what you describe, it
> certainly has the symptoms of loose windings.  Hope this helps.  I will
> defer to Tom and others if this does not solve your problem.
>
> 73,
>
> Mike
> W5CUL
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amps-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On
> Behalf Of Van K7VS
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 1:14 AM
> To: amps@contesting.com
> Subject: [Amps] HV transformer buzzing!! Help Please
>
> I just finished tearing down and rebuilding a HV/LV supply for a Globe
King
> 500A.  Galvanized the chassis and repainted all the xfmrs.  Looks great,
> works great BUT the supply is buzzing quite loudly.  I know it is coming
> from the HV supply on this deck.  LV supply quiet.  The buzz is there when
I
> turn on the HV supply switch and become quite a bit louder when I load the
> HV supply down (loading and running the transmitter section).
>
> Any thoughts of what might cause this noise.  I don't think its any kind
of
> arcing but a mechanical noise and probably around 60 cycles...maybe.  It
is
> low pitched.  This supply using a filament xfmr for the 866A retifiers, a
> 350 ma choke and large High voltage transformer.  I know I have to isolate
> the noise to one of the xfmrs but then what do I do?  Any help/thoughts
> would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks much.  Van, K7VS
>
> PS.  Next step is to clean off the modulator deck, remove all the rust and
> rebuild it.  The RF is pretty clean but doing the same to it.  I fired up
> the transmitter section today and got 300+ watts into a dummy load thru
bird
> wattmeter.  Pretty good for an old boy that probably hasn't been on the
air
> for thirty or forty years with a very rusty modulation section and very
> rusty power supply deck that now looks like it just came out of the
factory!
> HI HI.
>
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