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Re: [Amps] crossmodulation in PA ?

To: la7sl@online.no, amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] crossmodulation in PA ?
From: TexasRF@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:03:54 EDT
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Nils, don't overlook the possibility that the cross modulation is taking  
place in the feed line, antenna, an unused antenna, the guy system or tower. 
Any  
corroded/less than zero ohm joint has the possibility of non linear reaction 
in  a high rf field. 
 
Tower guys in particular can intercept very large amounts of broadcast  
frequency energy. I have driven up to tall towers on several occasions while  
listening to an AM broadcast station and heard cross modulation from other  
broadcast stations appear.
 
I don't have any solutions other than the obvious: fix the problem. The  
problem may not actually be the fault of the linear amplifier.
 
73,
Gerald K5GW
 
 
In a message dated 9/5/2007 7:42:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
la7sl@online.no writes:

Hi  everybody !
At our small contest station LN8W / LA8W we have a strange  problem..
It appears that we have crossmodulation taking place in the power  amplifier.
When running 1 KW to a 20m yagi at 90 feet, I detect cross  modulation
products from BC-stations appearing on a range of frequencies. I  have 
excluded
unwanted mixing in poor connections in the  antenna,feedline or the immediate
surroundings like tower and nearby  antennas or metal constructions. Field 
measure-
ments have been done  using a Hewlett Packard rf analyzer - spectrum 
analyzer.
In line  measurements have also been done using same equipment with  
coupler/attenuator.
The mixing products are not strong, we are talking  millivolts of RF in the 
line, but that is enough to
QRM receivers on  site by reradiating products that can not be removed by 
filters or stubs,  as they
appear in  wanted bands. Please note that receiver overloading  is not an 
issue here, neither is analyzer
overloading as high  perfomance filters are used in the measurements.
>From my time as a  communications engineer I am well aware of such mixing 
taking place in VHF  power
amplifiers in dense repeater sites, and then usually in transistor  stages. 
On a few occasions I have seen
it happen in Class C tube amps,  but never in linear tube amps.  The 
following amps have been tested,  all at
the 1KW level : Acom 2000A , Ameritron AL1200, Tokyo HL2K and  Commander 
1200.  Results
vary by 4 to 6 db .  My questions to  you all will be this : Have you seen 
this happen ? If so, what is the cure  ?
I have a strange idea that this might occur in the power output detectors  in 
the amps as these are using diodes
to detect current, usually via a  pickup coil. Unwanted signals could 
possibly be reradiated from  there...
This is a far shot, and I would like other ideas here before going  to 
drastic measures.  My dream would be to
put high power bandpass  filters on all feedlines, but that would be a very 
expensive  project.
Any ideas please ? ! I am receiving mail from group as digest, but  I will 
reply as soon as digest arrives here.
best 73's to all  from
LA7SL Nils ( Peter)  

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