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Re: [Amps] SB-220's, 3-500's, some history

To: <Gudguyham@aol.com>, <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] SB-220's, 3-500's, some history
From: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 13:09:21 -0500
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Nice advertisement Lou, business must be slow down there <G>

However with over 250 SB-220 family 6M conversions and many straight 
repairs since the 60's I concur with 99% of the observations.

All the Amperex are graphite and I have a NIB pair of the Eimac 
graphites in my tube collection as well as a pair of Russian prototype 
3-600Z's there were never released to market.....they didnt work very 
well.

Meanwhile, back to work, finishing up a LK-800A 6M conversion.

Stay warm, I see global warming has frozen another elderly homeowner.

Carl
KM1H


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Gudguyham@aol.com>
To: <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 8:33 AM
Subject: [Amps] SB-220's, 3-500's, some history


> Unlike many hams who could count on one hand how many SB-220 amps they 
> have
> owned in a life time, some have to go to their feet to keep score. 
> Well, I
> am now starting to count hairs on my head and thankfully I have not 
> experienced
> Alopecia quite yet.  All kidding aside, I have had HUNDREDS of Sb-220 
> amps
> though here on my bench in the last 12 years.  I have also seen all 
> the  sets
> of 3-500 tubes that were in them as well.  Beginning with the SB-220,
> statistically the average used SB-220 has at least one burned or 
> vaporized band
> switch contact!!  I would venture to say that 7 out of every 10 amps I 
> have  seen
> have a bad contact.  That is pretty bad odds.  If you are looking  to 
> buy an
> SB-220 you should be real concerned about this!!  Often times if  the 
> contact
> is not vaporized that amp still works because the contacts are 
> redundant.
> Sometimes only  one contact on one side is bad and on the  other side 
> it is "OK".
> As soon as a high SWR is present or some mistuning,  you'll here an 
> arc come
> from that contact.  In the long run, if you use  that band a lot, 
> failure is
> close by.  Those are pretty bad odds.  The  problem is it is very hard 
> to see
> the contacts on the switch and the inside  contact is almost 
> impossible
> without  the use of a bright light and a  dental type mirror.  Most 
> other problems
> are simple to fix, but this  problem is a bummer.  Keep this in mind. 
> OK, now
> for the  3-500's.  The Sb-220 has been around for a long time, most of 
> them
> made  around the time when we all used "load em up radio transmitters" 
> most  of
> them were capable of over 100 watts output, some Drake and Swan radios 
> put
> out 250 watts.  Even the lower wattage radios did 160 to 180 watts 
> output.
> You could kill a pair of 3-500's with this kind of power input 
> levels.  SO I
> have seen my share of weak tubes.  As time went on and  the usual 
> solid state
> 100 watt radio was the norm, you would be hard pressed to  destroy a 
> pair of
> 3-500's with only 100 watts drive in an SB-220.  So the  odds of 
> getting a full
> output set of tubes in an Sb-220 is very high.  I'd  say in the 90 
> percentile!!
>  Well that's some good news.  I have  also seen many different types 
> of
> 3-500s.  Eimacs, Amperex, and others,  including the Chinese 
> varieties.  Eimac in
> the early and late 60's  made a run of graphite tubes, they looked 
> different
> inside, much like a Pagoda  instead of the typical turbine fan blade. 
> Amperex
> tubes all looked like  this.  Not sure if all were graphite or not, 
> however I
> have noticed in a  small population of older tubes of this sort a 
> difference
> in bias  requirements.  Typically the standard 3-500 is self biased at 
> about
> 2500  volts or less and no additional bias  voltage is required to 
> lower the
> idle  current to about the normal 180 to 200 mills.  The Drake L4.L4B 
> had no
> additional bias voltage.  The SB-220 with about 2900 volts on the 
> plates  has
> about 5 volts of bias which settles the tubes down to about 180 mills. 
> If you
> run the tubes beyond 3000 volts you will need 5+ volts of bias and as 
> high as
> 13v as in the Ameritron AL-82.  Interestingly however, there  was 
> "some" and I
> have only seen very few old Eimac and Amperex 3-500 tubes that  seem 
> to be
> self biased at 3000 volts and require no additional bias to lower the 
> idle
> current to 180 to 200 mills.  At first when I encounter these tubes, I 
> thought
> they were bad since the idle current when biased at 5 volts is so low, 
> but in
> the long run they are full output.  I've used several Chinese brand 
> tubes in
> the past and I have always been pleased with them.  Their  performance 
> is right
> up there with the top brands.  The Sb-220 itself had  some evolution, 
> there
> were 2 different types of loading variable caps used, the  Sb-221 used 
> a wider
> spaced tune cap.  The Sb-221 did not have 10 meters  unless it was 
> built like
> anSB-220 in the beginning by the builder buying the "10  meter kit". 
> The
> Sb-221 as it is lacks a 10 meter contact on the band  switch so it is 
> no simple
> "mod" to make one work on 10 meters.  You'll need  an extra contact on 
> the input
> switch as well and some input coils.  They  did due diligence on 
> keeping the
> CB'ers from using this amp easily!!  Ditto  for the later HL-2200 amp. 
> It has
> been a rewarding experience for me to  have done these hundreds of 
> autopsy's.
> I am getting to fell like the Dr.  G. of Sb-220's.  My morgue is ever
> expanding.  73 Lou  W1QJ
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