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Re: [Amps] Tubes, made in the USA, in the olden days; Films?

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Subject: Re: [Amps] Tubes, made in the USA, in the olden days; Films?
From: Pete Lancashire <pete@petelancashire.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:25:06 -0700
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Don't know of any US but try this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV7cimRWah0

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HveUY7eivfI&feature=related

both are multipart


On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Patrick Barthelow <apolloeme@live.com> wrote:
>
> I wonder if there are archived anywhere some actual films of an old GE, 
> Mullard, Philco, RCA, Amperex, etc tube making process.
> Some inside documentary or training film, that could be found and posted on 
> Youtube.   I look back to the good old days, when I used to complain as a 
> kid,  I paid  $2.50 or so,  retail for a 12AX7, after checking it in the tube 
> tester at the Longs Drug Store.    Cosidering what went into making that 
> precison aligned; Two Plates, two grids, two filaments, or cathodes,  all 
> those exotic, pure,  and dissiilar metals, spot welds,   8-10 thru-glass 
> pins, vacuum sealed, getterized,  and a couple or three businesses; 
> manufacturer to retail,  that made a profit on that $2.50 retail tube.  I am 
> amazed.
>
> They must have done big batch manufacture... say a run of I don't  know 
> 10,000  12AX7 plates   10,000 grids, etc..
> Was there a much hand work involved in the miniature tube construction, or 
> was that highly automated, especially with aligning and spotwelding the 
> various electrodes?   They did not have robotic welders, etc back then.
>
> Same for the big TX tubes....anyone have any idea what the alignment 
> tolerances were/are between fil to grid, and grid to plate?
> or grid to grid for some tubes?
>
> The other thing that is astonishing, I have an 833A AM Broadcast TX tube, one 
>  of a pair of pulls,  I think used to be good for a KW AM, along with an 
> identical pair of modulators, and the Plates ran bright orange, particularly 
> the modulators.
> The tube envelope has a BIG embedded air bubble  in the glass envelope, that 
> you can see was elongated in the envelope manufacturing process.  you can 
> kind of see a pulled shape of the bubble,  when the molten glass flowed  I am 
> amazed that the tube survived that big, apparently weak spot at the air 
> bubble....
>
> Best Regards,
> 73, de Pat Barthelow AA6EG
>
>> From: km1h@jeremy.mv.com
>> To: tonne@comcast.net; amps@contesting.com
>> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:04:50 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [Amps] Why do tubes cost so much?
>>
>> I read somewhere (years ago so dont quote me) that tubes with extremely
>> close grids such as the 3CX800 and 1500 have yields around 20%. You would
>> think that after all these years companies would have better technology
>> available to assemble.
>>
>> Setup times should be controlled also, I just suspect that Eimac doesnt care
>> since they still have the bulk of the market that will pay whatever it
>> costs.
>>
>> Carl
>> KM1H
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jim Tonne" <tonne@comcast.net>
>> To: "Frederick Mott" <fredmott@zoominternet.net>; <dezrat1242@yahoo.com>;
>> <amps@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 9:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Amps] Why do tubes cost so much?
>>
>>
>> >
>> > I think that Bill and Fred have summarized things
>> > nicely.
>> >
>> > But I also suspect that the "tiny" tubes like a 6BA6
>> > are assembled in a relatively (if not entirely) automated
>> > operation. And I chose the 6BA6 because of how the
>> > first grid is formed, with that nonuniform winding.
>> >
>> > The "big" tubes - those with 100 kW or more of plate
>> > dissipation - offer the same challenges that the 1000
>> > watt tubes do but are simply scaled up and are
>> > larger in every respect and so probably relatively
>> > easier to build. The cost of materials in those huge
>> > tubes is probably significant. So is warranty cost.
>> >
>> > - JimT W4ENE
>> >
>> >
>> >> I have often wondered why big tubes cost so much.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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