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Re: [Amps] LF oscillation caused by defective plate choke?

To: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>, <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] LF oscillation caused by defective plate choke?
From: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 23:36:02 -0700
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-----Original Message----- From: Carl
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To: Jim Thomson ; amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] LF oscillation caused by defective plate choke?


----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>
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Subject: [Amps] LF oscillation caused by defective plate choke?


From: peter chadwick <g8on@fsmail.net>
To: N1BUG <paul@n1bug.com>, 'Amps' <Amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] LF oscillation caused by defective plate choke?

Paul,

1000pF is 45 ohms at 3.5 MHz. If the plate choke is 250 microhenry - typical value - that's 5500 ohms. There's around 2kV RMS of RF on the plate, so that's 360mA of RF in the choke and 16 volts of RF across the 1000pF. I think that one is better off with a larger bypass - 3000pF say - and then another RF Choke (which can be a lot smaller) and another bypass capacitor to keep RF out of the power supply - some electrolytics don't like much RF current.

It gets even worse on 160, though.


73

Peter G3RZP


### 250 uh is fine for the plate choke. Instead of the 1000 pf bypass cap, use 2-3 x 4700 pf disc ceramics. That combo makes for an excellent lower freq bypass cap. Then wire 1-3 x 500pf ceramic doorknob caps in parallel with the 4700 pf caps. The 500 pf caps make for an excellent higher freq bypass cap. If you have any spare 4700 pf caps left, and /or 500 pf doorknobs, wire em between B+ of the lytics to the chassis.

Then you won’t have any RF getting into the B+ back to the lytics...... guaranteed.

Later... Jim  VE7RF


The 500pf arent necessary as modern .0047 discs still make excellent
bypasses at low VHF as long as the leads are short.

Carl
KM1H

##### I buy the .0047 from both henry radio + mouser. I bought the Ceramite brand, which come in both 10 and 15 kv. I think you can also get em in 6 kv. Dunno how short you mean by short leads. Super thin .005 inch cu strap can be soldered to the wire leads, to decrease XL... in cases where short leads are not always possible. I have bins full of these 10 + 15 kv types..and also dozens of 200 + 500 pf HEC TH-57 TX doorknobs. The commercial broadcast stuff, some of it anyway, will use a parallel combo of a mess of .0047s and also 500 pf dooknobs. To be on the safe side, since I have loads of em, I installed several 500 pf caps in there.
They would serve more use in the RF deck + HV supply, than sitting in bins.

Jim VE7RF
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