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Re: [Amps] Air temps leaving the amp.

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Subject: Re: [Amps] Air temps leaving the amp.
From: peter chadwick <g8on@fsmail.net>
Reply-to: g8on@fsmail.net
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 09:34:52 +0100
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It's many years since I was taught about induction motors, but I seem to 
remember that as the volts drops the 'slip' from synchronous speed drops more 
with load - if you like, the 'mechanical regulation' decreases. In the case of 
a fan or blower, as the speed drops, so does the effective load, but I think 
that there should be some drop in speed as the voltage goes down and the slip 
increases.

Where you want variable speed and high torque - as in a machine drive - then 
varying frequency is the only way to go. 

73

Peter G3RZP



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 Message Received: Feb 03 2014, 11:53 PM
 From: "Roger (K8RI)" <k8ri@rogerhalstead.com>
 To: "amps@contesting.com" <amps@contesting.com>
 Cc: 
 Subject: Re: [Amps] Air temps leaving the amp.
 
 On 2/3/2014 10:33 AM, Al Kozakiewicz wrote:
 > Yes, that is the defining characteristic of an induction motor!
 >
 > The only way to vary the speed of such a motor is either by changing the 
 > frequency of the power source or with a variable speed transmission.
 
 How does Emtron do it?  They use a sensor in the exhaust, just above the 
 tube and there is a substantial difference between high and low speed.
 When that thing kicks into high it is not quiet.
 
 73,
 
 Roger (K8RI)
 
 >
 > Al
 > AB2ZY
 >
 > ________________________________________
 > From: Amps [amps-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jim Garland 
 > [4cx250b@miamioh.edu]
 > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 10:24 AM
 > To: 'Roger (K8RI)'; amps@contesting.com
 > Subject: Re: [Amps] Air temps leaving the amp.
 >
 > This raises an interesting issue. How does one reduce the impeller speed on
 > a blower with a 120 VAC motor (capacitor start)? I've done some tests on
 > several blowers (3370 rpm) and find the rpm doesn't vary appreciably as the
 > voltage is varied over a significant range. Once the voltage gets low
 > enough, of course, the blower stalls, but the rpm doesn't vary with the
 > voltage. I suspect this is an inherent property of induction motors. I first
 > discovered this effect years ago when I tried to reduce the blower speed of
 > a Rotron blower in an 8877 amp. I switched in a 24V transformer to lower the
 > voltage from 120V to 96V, but discovered it didn't make much difference.
 > 73,
 > Jim W8ZR
 >
 >> Find what
 >> blower speed gives the required pressure. Then back off to where the
 >> noise is comfortable. Use a sensor in the output air so when the temp
 >> rises it can kick into high blower.  Use a couple sensors to give more
 >> leeway. Normal, high, and afterburner.  IOW.  If a little more speed
 >> will keep the temp in range on SSB, there is little reason to run more
 >> pressure than required, but when heavy duty work like digital or slow
 >> scan heats things up, then go for max cooling,
 >
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