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Subject: Re: [Amps] Price per Watt Conversation
From: Richard Solomon <dickw1ksz@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 08:33:54 -0700
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And now with the new 65 vdc LDMOS
devices, all those 50 vdc units are
obsolete.

Progress ...


73, Dick, W1KSZ

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 8:30 AM, Jim Thomson <jim.thom@telus.net> wrote:

> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 22:45:14 +0000
> From: Bill Turner <dezrat@outlook.com>
> To: Amps group <amps@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Price per Watt Conversation
>
> On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:37:07 +0000, Manfred wrote:
>
> >
> >And why on earth should I use two power supplies in series, instead of
> >using a single one of the proper voltage?
>
> REPLY:
>
> Cost.
>
> 50 VDC 3 kW supplies are available on eBay dirt cheap. Obsolete
> telephone equipment.
>
> 73, Bill W6WRT
>
> ##  agreed.  At the telco I worked for, the older –52 vdc switchers
> were 3 kw CCS rated, and would work from 40-70 hz.  Some
> were designed for 208 vac single phase input, usually a 30A breaker
> used for each supply.  Up to 6 x supplies in a single shelf.  They would
> all talk to each other, so if one craps out, the remaining 5  would  divide
> the current between them..and dead on equally.  Never saw one blow
> up..or give us any problems.
>
> #  The newer versions are now 3.3 kw CCS rated, work from 40-68 hz, and
> have near perfect power factor correction, as in > .99  at any phase angle.
> Neither the old or the new style barely gets luke warm, with a 60A  CCS
> load.
>
> ##  Just before I retired in nov 2009, several hundred were installed
> around town.
> We also used them in cell sites.  Those ones ran on 240 vac  60 hz, just
> like what
> you have at home.   Looking at the specs, they would run on anything from
> 165 vac..up to 310 vac.
>
> ## Unique in that they could be pulled..hot. They used long silver plated
> blades
> for the  -52 vdc output connection to the main buss bar.  And shorter,
> smaller blades
> for the 208 /  240 vac input.   When pulled hot, the shorter blades
> disengage 1st,  so the
> 208 /240 is disconnected  a split second b4 the –52 vdc gets disconnected.
>
> ##  They can be wired for + 52 vdc as well.  telcos all use  -52
> vdc...since they adopted
> the positive ground scheme eon ago.  Done to minimize positive plate
> growth in the
> lead acid batteries.   I see no reason why 2 or more cant be wired in
> series.
>
> ##  For main office telco use, 6 were in a shelf, aprx 25-30 inches wide.
> bay was at least
> 6 ft tall, and so  several shelves could easily fit into a bay, then
> multiple bays side by side.
>
> ##  they are small things, like aprx  4-5 inches wide by aprx 6-7 inches
> tall and aprx 12 inches
> deep.  Well built and designed for 24-7-365 use.  Will handle high ambient
> room temps and also
> high humidity.   3.3 kw x 6 =  19.8 kw CCS per shelf.   In normal
> operation, the load is such
> that if one supply crapped out, the remaining  5 would easily handle the
> load.   IE: shelf
> good for  6 x 60A = 360 A.    Normal load would be like no more than
> 250-280A  per shelf.
>
> ##  last I looked, they were $475.00  new in the box, with a superb
> warranty.. built in the usa.
> You cant build a  3.3 kw CCS HV regulated  supply for that $... nor even
> an un-regulated supply.
> And the power factor will suck on any B+  supply, there is no way to do
> PFC on the typ C input
> B+ supply.
>
> Jim   VE7RF
>
> ##  So the power supply to run any of these SS amps is really a moot point
> these days, non issue.
>
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