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Re: [Amps] Flex Power Genius XL 2KW amplifier

To: Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic@gmail.com>, Manfred Mornhinweg <manfred@ludens.cl>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Flex Power Genius XL 2KW amplifier
From: Jim Garland <4cx250b@miamioh.edu>
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 17:36:15 -0600
List-post: <mailto:amps@contesting.com>
I agree mostly with Victor's comments, but would like to expound on a couple things about QSK and semi-QSK which appear to cause confusion.

(1) Most modern transceivers have provisions for delaying RF to an amplifier, usually through a menu setting, to give the amplifier T/R relays a chance to close before zapping them with RF. In modern transceivers, there is more to this delay than meets the eye.

Consider, for example, the K3 and Flex 6000 series transceivers. The K3 defaults to an 8msec delay, through menu setting TX DLY, and is adjustable up to 20msec. The Flex is adjustable from 0msec up to more than 1000msec.This delay does NOT mean that any CW characters sent by the operator will be lost if they occur before the delay is reached. There are no dropped dits, even if CW at 60wpm is sent from the git-go. Instead, a memory in each tranceiver records what the operator is sending and plays it from scratch once the TX delay is reached. With the K3, the entire delay range is brief enough that an operator probably wouldn't notice what's happening, but if the Flex is set near its maximum delay of 1000msec, the effect is VERY noticeable.In this case, the Flex remembers everything sent for the first second, and then time shifts the transmitted signal by that amount. In other words, if you send "Op here is Jim" during the first 1000 msec, then when the amp finally comes on line a second later, it faithfully amplifies "Op here is Jim" without missing a beat. It's quite a weird thing to listen to.

(2) The K3 has only a TX DLY menu setting, but the Flex also has an adjustable ACC TX output setting. (Actually, depending on the model, there are several ACC TX outputs, most associated with RCA jacks, and these have independently settable adjustments.) These are the cables (s)that go to the amplifier relay jack, and their delay determines has soon the amplifier is brought on line after the key is pressed. Like the TX DLY line, the ACC TX line is adjustable from zero to over 1000msec. Normally the ACC TX delay is set at zero, so the amplifier doesn't have to wait around any longer than necessary. Frankly, I don't see why that delay should ever be greater than zero, but maybe there's some reason having to do with SO2R operation.

The speed of the T/R switching is a consideration, but for semi-break-in and full break-in relay chatter is also an issue.Open frame relays (including those with plastic covers) are inherently noisier than vacuum relays. Also, with QSK and semi-break-in, the wear and tear on relays can be considerable. With respect to the Flex Power Genius XL, it's not clear that the T/R relays are sequenced properly for CW operation. The company hasn't published any circuit diagram of the amplifier yet, but for CW operation proper sequencing is essential to avoid hot-switching and SWR blips reflected back to the transceiver when the amp is keyed.

73,

Jim W8ZR




On 10/12/2018 10:26 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
Most CW ops that do not use full QSK do operate semi-QSK. And in that case the 
delay between the amp key signal being asserted and the t/r relays closing and 
settling reliably is just as critical as full QSK. Many non-QSK amps are 
deficient in this area, which leads to hot switching, chopped initial 
characters, loud initial transients, etc.
There is also the annoyance of the noise in the shack from clunky relays, also 
an issue with SSB VOX.
Personally I use full QSK less than 10% of the time, but I would want a 
QSK-capable amp even if I never used it.

Victor 4X6GP


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