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Re: [Amps] HV Fuse

To: "'Vic Rosenthal'" <>
Subject: Re: [Amps] HV Fuse
From: "Paul Christensen" <>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 15:38:24 -0400
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I don’t think fuses in parallel are a good idea :-). But probably you weren’t 

Vic, I am serious!  Actually, I would use them in parallel to determine the 
overcurrent point then try and fine a single fuse of adequate size.  That said, 
I have seen as many as three used in parallel in another amp design.

Paul, W9AC

. I don’t know what the present rectifier modules are,  but rather than trying 
to protect them with a fuse, I would just make up a few strings of 6A10s, which 
are basically indestructible. Then you size the glitch resistor so it won’t 
blow up before the primary fuse blows in the event of a flashover. A nice 50 
watt vitreous enameled one of 30-50 ohms should work.
By the way, I don’t know what the tubes are in that amp, but I presume one or 
more triodes. A fuse in the plate circuit of a tetrode will cause the screen to 
ignite like someone hit it with the heat ray in War of the Worlds, unless there 
is a screen trip circuit.

Victor 4X6GP 

> On 20 Sep 2019, at 22:04, Paul Christensen <> wrote:
> Yesterday, I lost all four HV bridge rectifier modules in my Alpha PA-70V
> vapor-cooled amp.   After replacement, HV returned but whatever caused the
> fault event also took out a 2N3053 switching transistor that controls 
> a 8.2V Zener bias diode from the EBS circuit.  I used the opportunity 
> to change it to a more robust transistor in a TO-220 package that 
> effectively doubles Ic and Vceo.  The transistor is already configured as a 
> "discrete Darlington"
> with a 2N4401 ahead of it so the shock didn't get very far on the EBS PC
> board.    
> Going back through the list archives, I see mention of using a HV fuse 
> just ahead of an amp's glitch resistor.  VE7RF recommended a second HV 
> fuse placed between one leg of the HV transformer secondary at the 
> C-input filter cap.  Sounds like a nice way to potentially save the HV bridge 
> diodes.
> I have sized the glitch fuse adequately and will use a HV microwave 
> oven type as discussed in the archives.  However, because of some 
> unknown variables, it's a bit tricky to calculate the HV transformer's 
> secondary fuse.  I can use PSUD II software but primary and secondary 
> HV transformer ESR are unknown variables.
> I'm also a bit skeptical that a fuse on the HV secondary will work as 
> intended due to the extreme initial C charging current (35 uF/5KV 
> filter cap), even though step-start will limit the initial inrush and 
> that too factors into the equation.  I could just keep stacking 900 mA 
> HV fuses in parallel until they don't blow but that isn't an 
> intelligent approach to a solution.  Any guidance here?
> I don't see sand-filled ceramic HV fuses in this category and I dread 
> the thought of cleaning up glass shrapnel in an amplifier.  I'm 
> thinking that Teflon heat-shrink tubing placed only over the glass 
> portion should keep the shattering damage under control.
> Paul, W9AC
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