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NNY and FD scoring

Subject: NNY and FD scoring
From: richards@nylink.org (richards@nylink.org)
Date: Wed Oct 18 21:40:17 1995
Gentlemen,

I made a BIG mistake regarding FD scoring. Not sure how I came up
with that gem but suffice it to say that one gentleman was right
when he suggested I read the entire sentence. I was thinking of
something entirely different at the time so I also need to
pay attention to what I'm reading and to Jim Cain's original
post. Thanks Jim for attaching that to your reply, had I read it
closely initially, I would have saved myself a lot of
embarrassment. I also need to listen to my Mother who says I
should keep my mouth closed and let people think I'm stupid
rather than speak and prove it.

I read Jim's reply first and dreaded reading the rest of my mail 
for fear of what might be there. Thank you all for being kind
and polite in pointing out my mistake. I appreciate that.

And no, I'm not the first victim of the abbreviated rules since I
looked at the old long style in QST.

The ARRL has had contest rules available electronically for
a couple years at least. I looked at my hard drive the other day
and came across the ARRL BBS directory I downloaded a few years
ago. And what did I see listed there, the rules for most of the
ARRL contests.
Not sure if they were all there, wasn't paying attention.

Thanks for the bandwidth and letting me add my 2mw. I'll just go
away now.

73 de Rick WZ2T  Contrite in NNY



>From aa4nu@raider.raider.net (Bill W. Cox [AA4NU])  Thu Oct 19 02:35:48 1995
From: aa4nu@raider.raider.net (Bill W. Cox [AA4NU]) (Bill W. Cox [AA4NU])
Subject: Force 12 C-3XL Users ???
Message-ID: <m0t5jtc-000DdyC@raider.raider.net>

Anyone used the "big" version of the Force 12 C-3 called the C-3XL ?

Results ? What did you use before ? 

and all the other normal CONTEST/DX antenna type questions... :*) 

Looking to replace my 20(?) year old Wilson System Ones with something 
"nu" ... Use two in a stack on one tower now and also another one for 
SA/Carib on different tower...

Thanks for the information !  73 Bill AA4NU (aa4nu@raider.raider.net)
 

>From k8mr@barf80.nshore.org (Jim Stahl)  Thu Oct 19 02:24:54 1995
From: k8mr@barf80.nshore.org (Jim Stahl) (Jim Stahl)
Subject: New Section
Message-ID: <8437cD1w165w@barf80.nshore.org>


So NNY is politically, socially, geographically, and culturally
distinct from WNY?   Well, let me ponder Ohio.
 
We up here in NOH are also quite different from our brothers down
in SOH.  We tend to vote for Democrats while down in Cincinnati
its all Republican.  Show a picture with an exposed female breast
in a museum down there and the sheriff will be on the scene in no
time.  We just opened the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in
Cleveland.  It snows more up here. We've built a new stadium and
at long last have a good baseball team.  They have Marge Schott
and somehow have a pretty good team in spite of it. And they make
their pitchers bat like everyone else!
 
So if I expand this train of thought to 100 pages can we get Ohio
split into two sections?
 
Could one of the ARRL director types explain how the decision to
split a section is made?  I would have thought there were at
least several dozen cases stronger than the NNY/WNY one.
 
CU in SS from the rare Ohio section.
 
And in Seattle, as in CONTESTing, skill prevailed over decibels.  
 
 
                          GO INDIANS!
 
        Jim    K8MR      k8mr@barf80.nshore.org
  

----------------------------
Jim Stahl
InterNet: k8mr@barf80.nshore.org
Basic Amateur Radio Frequency, BARF-80 +1 216/237-8208
"Totally devoted to Amateur Radio" - 24 Hrs a day 8/N/1 14.4k-300 baud

>From w7ni@teleport.com (Stan Griffiths)  Thu Oct 19 03:21:37 1995
From: w7ni@teleport.com (Stan Griffiths) (Stan Griffiths)
Subject: Hornet's Nest of Controversy...
Message-ID: <199510190221.TAA01179@desiree.teleport.com>

>
> Help!! Any ideas?     Ken
>

I have an idea.  It may only be worth the amount I am charging you for it.

I had yellow jackets.  Close enough, I think.  Anyway, I was able to
carefully climb to about 12 feet below the nest without getting them
excited.  I then took a 12 foot piece of aluminum tubing with a rag tied to
the end of it and soaked with gasoline and lit it on fire.  (Makes a big
ball of flame for several minutes.)  I poked the flaming rag right up under
the nest and it rained yellow jackets.  It singes their wings and they can't
fly.  You have to dodge them as they drop.  You may burn a control wire or
two, but probably not.  It only takes a few seconds to do this.  I never got
stung.

Good luck . . .

Stan  W7NI@teleport.com


>From Takao KUMAGAI <je1cka@dumpty.nal.go.jp>  Thu Oct 19 04:46:32 1995
From: Takao KUMAGAI <je1cka@dumpty.nal.go.jp> (Takao KUMAGAI)
Subject: Why no 160?(Re: KH0AM in CQ WW PH MULTI/MULTI!)
Message-ID: <199510190346.MAA07963@dumpty.nal.go.jp>

Well
I understood there are lots of 160m enthusiasts here.

But no 160m SSB operation at KH0AM. This is our situation and 
most of you do not know why we gave up 160m.
I do not expect some of you to understand our very hard situation 
but we decided not to operate 160m SSB.

In message "[cq-contest 9102] Re: KH0AM in CQ WW PH MULTI/MULTI!"
    on 95/10/18, LondonSM writes:

:   Why no 160m operation ?  It is legal in KH0.  With an 
:   inverted-L and 1500 watts you should easily be able to work:

Ofcourse legal. Most frequecy allocation in KH0 is the same 
as in mainland.( We are in Reg III so only allowed to operate 
between 7075-7100)

See your world map and check how many countries in 2000km circle
centered in KH0. Less than 10countries and nearly non PH activities.
160m PH is not productive in Zone 27. To get 10multis on that band 
we have to bring additional 1-TRX,1-AMP,1-(2*232c port)CPU, 232c 
link stuff. The antenna configuration on the roof top of Diamond 
hotel is the hardest thing.
 We are happy that all those stuff and work will not be required 
even if we'll lose 10multis.

We, KH0AM, operated 160m CW since '91 CQ WW CW and could work a 
lots of JAs and some juicy Eu multis. So we must be on 160CW. 
BUT 160PH in CQ WW at KH0AM is totally useless.

See you on all 5bands
        ---------
        Tack Kumagai JE1CKA/KH0AM
        TEL:81-30-066-6408, FAX:81-423-93-4449
        Internet: je1cka@nal.go.jp

>From Gary Schwartz <garyk9gs@solaria.sol.net>  Thu Oct 19 05:46:12 1995
From: Gary Schwartz <garyk9gs@solaria.sol.net> (Gary Schwartz)
Subject: Hornet's Nest of Controversy...
Message-ID: <Pine.3.02.9510182309.A19083-b100000@solaria.sol.net>

On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Stan Griffiths wrote:

> 
> I had yellow jackets.  Close enough, I think.  Anyway, I was able to
> carefully climb to about 12 feet below the nest without getting them
> excited.  I then took a 12 foot piece of aluminum tubing with a rag tied to
> the end of it and soaked with gasoline and lit it on fire.  (Makes a big
> ball of flame for several minutes.)  I poked the flaming rag right up under
> the nest and it rained yellow jackets.  It singes their wings and they can't
> fly.  You have to dodge them as they drop.  You may burn a control wire or
> two, but probably not.  It only takes a few seconds to do this.  I never got
> stung.

This sounds like one of those primitive South Pacific sacrificial rituals
like one sees in old King Kong -type movies.  I wonder what the flame
ratings are for Rohn towers??

I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall at the neighbor's house while they
watched you do this.  Hams seem to have this reputation..........

Perhaps this could be a new competition for the hospitality suites at
Dayton.  How many flaming bees can you dodge while hanging from a piece of
tower while swinging a flaming torch.  Now that would be a CONTEST!


73,
Gary K9GS    (You have to STOP the Q-Tip when there's resistance !)
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>From De Syam <syam@Glue.umd.edu>  Thu Oct 19 14:17:55 1995
From: De Syam <syam@Glue.umd.edu> (De Syam)
Subject: 40m SSB Intruders, 40 meter digimodes, etc.
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951019090723.834B-100000@cappuccino.eng.umd.edu>

On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Bill Coleman AA4LR wrote:

> 
> Yeah, right. Just make sure that all the SW broadcasting in Regions 1 and 3
> stays within the Region 1 or 3 boundaries.
> 
> 7100-7150 kHz is pretty sparsely populated with hams at night. Sure, that's
> the Novice segment, but digital modes are permitted there. The reason it is
> underused is simple -- all the Region 1 SW Broadcast Interference. Why slug
> it out with Megawatt signals above 7100 kHz when 7000-7100 kHz is
> available?
> 
> 40m is just too small. In Region 1 it is truely tiny. What we need is a 40m
> expansion of our Primary allocation in all regions. Then a lot of these
> problems would be ameliorated, if not eliminated. Otherwise, everyone just
> as to tough it out.
> 
The IARU has as one of its highest priorities the goal of obtaining 300 
KHz. exclusive for amateurs in the vicinity of 7 MHz.  At the last WARC, 
the broadcasters and the European administrations offered up 200 KHz., 
which would have doubled the width of the ham band in Europe but would 
have required North and South American hams to give up 100 KHz., so the 
IARU understandably said no.  There were some feelings that the ham band 
could be expanded down to 6900 KHz., but the third world countries said 
"not yet" -- they still have a lot of internal point-to-point official CW 
traffic in that segment and cannot afford to upgrade their 
telecommunications systems.

After the Year 2000, IARU will try again.  By then, existing trends in 
the telecoms field, such as greater use of the Internet and government 
defunding of international broadcasting now that the Cold War is over, 
may make the goal of 300 KHz. attainable.

                                             
                                          Very 73,

                                        Fred Laun, K3ZO

>From broz@csn.net (John Brosnahan)  Thu Oct 19 14:54:21 1995
From: broz@csn.net (John Brosnahan) (John Brosnahan)
Subject: Hornet's Nest of Controversy...
Message-ID: <199510191354.HAA05965@lynx.csn.net>

>On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Stan Griffiths wrote:
>
>> 
>> I had yellow jackets.  Close enough, I think.  Anyway, I was able to
>> carefully climb to about 12 feet below the nest without getting them
>> excited.  I then took a 12 foot piece of aluminum tubing with a rag tied to
>> the end of it and soaked with gasoline and lit it on fire.  (Makes a big
>> ball of flame for several minutes.)  I poked the flaming rag right up under
>> the nest and it rained yellow jackets.  It singes their wings and they can't
>> fly.  You have to dodge them as they drop.  You may burn a control wire or
>> two, but probably not.  It only takes a few seconds to do this.  I never got
>> stung.
>
>This sounds like one of those primitive South Pacific sacrificial rituals
>like one sees in old King Kong -type movies.  I wonder what the flame
>ratings are for Rohn towers??

Gives a whole new meaning to "flame suit on".  At least it is comforting to
know that most contest reflector types are already equipped to handle killer
bees and wasp, since most have already had occasion to use their flame suits.

W0UN
John Brosnahan  
La Salle Research Corp      24115 WCR 40     La Salle, CO 80645  USA
voice 970-284-6602            fax 970-284-0979           email broz@csn.net


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