It may make sense to you, but it is not a logical way to find offenders.
How do you fix the 'X' time period? Pick 10 minutes, if a rare multiplier
is getting spotted every 2 minutes or more often somewhere in the network
then single ops could never work it without getting penalized. Remember,
what you see on your screen often has been filtered down quite a bit from
what passes on the backbone. Many nodes run filters that only show you new
spots for a station every 10 minutes or so, during that time there may have
been many spots rejected by the node.
Then consider this scenario... how many times have you been s&ping on a band
and as you dial up the band you keep running into the same station calling
the stations you are calling? Someone analyzed this many years ago and
found that it is easy to get in step with several other stations as you s&p
and end up in the same pileups with them over and over. Well, what about if
one of those stations you are following up the band is automatically
spotting everything they work or hear(this is a feature in some newer
logging programs)... then everything you work as a s/o following them up the
band has just been spotted!
Also in some clubs it has been requested that you spot everything you hear
on the bands to help keep the multi op band maps full. This is a great
help, especially on Sundays when you need to find some extra qso's... but
this also results in lots of spots for not so interesting dx that would be
found and worked by so2r ops just as easily.
David Robbins K1TTT
e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
web: http://www.k1ttt.net
AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:cq-contest-
> bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Guy Molinari
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 04:19
> To: N7MAL@CITLINK.NET; cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Competing in the Daylight
>
> Hi Mal,
> What you suggest makes sense to me. Barry, W2UP points out that it
> would be easy to 'game' the system by waiting for a time period to lapse
> and
> make it appear that normal S&P activity is taking place. I would think
> that the effort required to do this would possibly negate any advantage.
> Also, the really rare mults will have pileups pretty quick if ignored for
> any reasonable lengh of time.
>
> 73's
> Guy, N7ZG
>
>
> >From: "N7MAL" <N7MAL@CITLINK.NET>
> >To: "Guy Molinari" <guy_molinari@hotmail.com>,<cq-contest@contesting.com>
> >Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Competing in the Daylight
> >Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:07:36 -0000
> >
> >I don't know an algorithm from a pizza pie but here is a starting place:
> >The participant's real-time logs and DX Packet-Cluster spots are fed into
> >some computer with some special software. The software will be 'smart'
> >enough to read the spots and the logs, in real-time. Every, single op,
> >station who works a station which has been spotted, within 'X' period of
> >time, gets a point. After a single-op or multi-op station has accumulated
> >(i.e.) 100 points the software re-classifies the station to a multi-op
> >assisted and electronically notifies the contest sponsor. Additionally
> the
> >software/computer be made available to every contest sponsor and all logs
> >submitted be run through the software, specifically looking for
> >Packet-Cluster spot matches. The only change with post contest log
> checking
> >would be after a log reached the specified point level the log would be
> >disqualified.
> >
> >
> >MAL N7MAL
> >BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
> >http://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htm
> >http://geocities.com/n7mal/
> >Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.
> >It's already tomorrow in Australia
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Guy Molinari
> > To: N7MAL@CITLINK.NET ; cq-contest@contesting.com
> > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 5:14
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Competing in the Daylight
> >
> >
> > Yes, I think so. The scoreboard system could also aggregate data from
> >the
> > packet cluster as well. We would just need to come up with the
> >algorithm
> > to identify the possible misuse of spots.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > 73's
> > Guy, N7ZG
> >
> >
> > >From: "N7MAL" <N7MAL@CITLINK.NET>
> > >To: "Guy Molinari"
> ><guy_molinari@hotmail.com>,<cq-contest@contesting.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Competing in the Daylight
> > >Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:59:28 -0000
> > >
> > >Can or could you add the technology of simultaneously displaying the
> > >Packet-Cluster spots so it would be easy to determine who was
> claiming
> > >single op but obviously stealing spots..??.. It is easy to see that
> > >Packet-Cluster cheating is rampant and is a real threat to honest
> > >contesting.
> > >
> > >
> > >MAL N7MAL
> > >BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
> > >http://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htm
> > >http://geocities.com/n7mal/
> > >Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.
> > >It's already tomorrow in Australia
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Guy Molinari
> > > To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 21:38
> > > Subject: [CQ-Contest] Competing in the Daylight
> > >
> > >
> > > This was exactly my point in the earlier posting. I am a
> software
> > >engineer
> > > by profession and I am
> > > responsible for providing the "push" infrastructure behind the the
> > >ESPN.com
> > > web sites. While I
> > > cannot disclose the actual capabilities of this system, I can
> assure
> >you
> > > that supporting the
> > > concurrent connections of all contesters and interested specators
> is
> > >easily
> > > doable.
> > >
> > > I'm not talking about a static web page that must be periodically
> > >refreshed.
> > >
> > > Opening up the UBN's/logs would be a step in the right direction
> >IMHO,
> > >but
> > > it would not stop the
> > > post contest 'massaging' of log data.
> > >
> > > I agree that knowing where your competitors stand would also have
> >some
> > > positive motivational side
> > > effects.
> > >
> > > Now that I think of it, there are some parallels here with auto
> >racing.
> > > The 'car' being the station
> > > of course.
> > >
> > > 73's
> > > Guy, N7ZG
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > >>This thread seems to be focusing on "releasing" logs
> > > after the event, for later scrutiny. Why stop there?
> > > Why not "compete in the daylight" in the first place?
> > > Why not know your position against other competitors
> > > while the contest is still going on?<<
> > >
> > > Let's do the first step (publish logs), we been trying to get this
> >for
> > >few
> > > years. Walk before you run!!!
> > >
> > > Compete in the daylight? What would that do?
> > > Like, when we compete, we take it easy, and then when we think
> >someone
> > >is
> > > beating us, "we step on the gas"?
> > > So we will be watching how we do instead of running the contest?
> > >
> > > Not here, thank you! I want to prepare for contest (never enough
> >time),
> > > enjoy
> > > operating (seriously, or just hand out contacts), submit the log
> and
> > >(sooner
> > > or later) find out how I did.
> > >
> > > 73 Yuri, K3BU.us
> > >
> > >
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