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Re: [CQ-Contest] Cut number for "3"

To: "Jim Neiger" <n6tj@sbcglobal.net>, <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Cut number for "3"
From: "Vitor, PY2NY" <py2ny@terra.com.br>
Reply-to: "Vitor, PY2NY" <py2ny@arrl.net>
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:23:44 -0200
List-post: <mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
I was curious about 9Y4AA, because
KX7M told me about W6NV... Now,
I know that you were working from
there, too... Nice to work you several
bands, Jim !! You forgot a 4th Man:
N6TJ !! And it´s almost unbelievable
to think that I know BOH, MM,
AA and TJ personally...
Nice reading about cut numbers. I
spend some time to be habituated with
cut numbers, but now, at my N1MM
logger, usual for CW is ENNAA...
Isn´t hard to understand, specially during
WW contest...
Best 73 - PY2NY
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Neiger" <n6tj@sbcglobal.net>
To: "José Nunes CT1BOH" <ct1boh@gmail.com>; <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 1:43 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Cut number for "3"

More power to Jose if he wants to use cut numbers and it's for the rest of
us to (1) get on board, and (2) figure out what he's sending.  Since the
earliest days of telegraphy (remember that stuff, guys??) - an economy of
time and motion has been the rule.

Simply asked:  why send more than required to get the message across?

Dick N6AA (as far as I can recall) was the first to drop the zero in Zone
09, during his pioneering days at 9Y4VT in 1977 to 1986.   Now, everyone
drops the zero.

I first heard Ville OH2MM send ENN in the 1986 CQ WW CW contest.  Twenty
years later, it's accepted by most.

CT1BOH, OH2MM, N6AA:  three great operators of their generation.  We all
should be so skilled.

Vy 73,

Jim Neiger   N6TJ

p.s.  A pleasure to hear so many fine operators during our little 9Y4AA
stint last weekend.  Can't wait for the next.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "José Nunes CT1BOH" <ct1boh@gmail.com>
To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 2:05 AM
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Cut number for "3"

Mr Tree says

"I hadn't ever heard this before, but I did some research on the web and
found this page that lists cut numbers for Morse code numbers:
According to this - the cut number for 3 is "W".  "

Too bad your research didn´t go just a bit below, because in the very same
link you point out, down the page you find

where it says

"It is very common to send RST reports in abbreviated form, for example 599,
is sent as 5NN. "N" in place of the number "9". Also another time saver is
for the zero using a long "T". "T" is sent in place of the number zero as in
"POWER HR IS 3TT WATTS". There is a number code for all numbers, however,
the N and T codes are the most common ones.
Also CW stations sometimes report their zones as "A4" or "A5" instead of
sending "14" or "15".

1 = A,   2 = U,   3 = V,   4 = 4,   5 = E,   6 = 6,   7 = B,   8 = D,   9 =
N,   0 = T"

Which for me makes a lot more sense and intuitive to have 3=V and 4=4
instead of 3=W and 4=V. So you see I did not take the V for a 3 out of the
But at least I'm happy now you realize there is this thing called cut

Many year ago when I started doing ENN instead of 5NN from P40E there was no
problem. People understood and logged the correct RST. Recently I started
doing EE instead of TU and now I hear already a lot of people using it in
the contest

As K8CC told me according to the ARRL log checking position "it is the
responsibility of the receiving station to translate any received cut
numbers into numeric digits in the log"
which I may add I totally agree. I had around 6600 QSOs from CT3NT and no
more than 3 or 4 people asked for repeat my zone. So I see no problem here
but some long unexplained bitterness...

José Nunes
CONTEST CT1BOH - http://www.qsl.net/ct1boh
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