Hi Jeff,
Considering sprints are hard enough as it is without a second radio, I agree
with most of what you're saying.
However, in the interests of understanding this thread, I looked up the
Special QSY Rule on NCJWeb.
The Special QSY rule prohibits making more than one Q on the same frequency
without at least one intervening Q at least 1 khz away on another (1 khz if
you're responding to a CQ, 5khz if you're initiating another CQ).
The only rule about initiating a solicitation is that it must be at least 5
khz away, which it would be if it's on a different band and that you can't
come back to the first frequency until you've completed at least one
intervening QSO. The rules are silent on your needing to complete a Q before
making another solicitation, or even completing another Q. Merely that the
solicitation must be 5 khz away.
So the only limitation on rocking back and forth between the same two
frequencies is that you have to finish the Q on one before you can have a Q
on the other. Which to my mind, is as Randy said: now you're just a flippin'
CQ machine again and the whole intended karma of the sprint goes out the
window.
The rest of the rules are silent on the issue of duelling CQs, which, as a
former SO2R heathen [ ;=) ] you know is different from simultaneous
transmision.
Be this as it may, isn't it interesting that the god of SO2R is now
suggesting it be removed from sprints?
None of this is intended as an argument in favour of SO2R. I'm just pointing
out that the rules as stated do not support some of the assumptions made
during this thread. But perhaps they should.
73, kelly
ve4xt
Special QSY Rule: If any station solicits a call (by sending CQ, QRZ?,
"going up 5 kHz," or any other means of soliciting a response, including
completion of a QSO where the frequency was inherited), they are permitted
to work only one station in response to that solicitation. They must
thereafter move at least 1 kHz before calling another station, or at least 5
kHz before soliciting other calls. Once a station is required to QSY, that
station is not allowed to make another QSO on the vacated frequency until or
unless at least one subsequent QSO is made on a new frequency.
.
----- Original Message -----
From: "ku8e" <ku8e@bellsouth.net>
To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SO2R in the CW Sprint
> It's interesting this topic came up. Just the other day while having lunch
> with K4BAI (and talking about the Sprint) I made the comment to John that
> "I sure had a hard time working N4AF" I think I called him 20 times and
> never made it through to him. Finally,
> he called me on 80 CW while I was CQing". John's reply was " Yeah that
> was probably because he was doing SO2R and working someone on his other
> radio."
>
> Personally I would like to see SO2R go away. Before you SO2R diehards
> start telling
> me to learn SO2R so I can become a good operator too...done it... I did
> SO2R for many years when I lived in Ohio and got to be very good at it. Of
> course you guys that are doing it are going to find a reason to defend
> SO2R because it gives you a competitive advantage over those that don't do
> it. Those small advantages are often the difference between winning and
> losing.
>
>
> Now that I more of a casual contester due to station limitations I see
> many flaws in the SO2R concept. There seem to be too many ways that people
> can bend the rules (or loop holes in the rules) and not be penalized.
> Problems always seem to occur when a SO2R operator vacates his run
> frequency and someone else takes it. A frequency fight usually occurs in
> that case with the SO2R operator claiming the frequency as his even though
> he vacated it.
>
> N6TR mentioned some who was calling CQ to solicit contacts on two bands at
> the same time, That is definitely breaking the Special QSY Rule . Plus,
> how do you prove that someone is not transmitting on two bands and the
> same time. I don't think most SO2R operators have a lockout system. That
> would break the rules because you be doing Multi-Multi in that case.
>
> It seems many contests have this loop hole that if you are not
> transmitting on two bands at the same time you are not operating two bands
> at the same time. (even thought you might be in the middle of a QSO with
> someone on one of those bands.) How are you ever going prove someone is
> cheating? The only way I see that you could do it is to have something
> like the 10 minute rule they have for M/S stations in many contests - But
> that would probably take away the competitve advantage you gained doing
> SO2R.
>
>
> Jeff KU8E
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